06/17/2004 Meeting Notes
2004/06/17 Meeting notes
These notes are a best effort.
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Attendees:
- SR: Shimon Rura
- DW: Dave Winer
- j: j Baumgart
- BS: Bob Stepno
- LW: Lisa Williams
- JA: Josh Ain
- MD: Mark David
- RH: Rick Heller
- Sun
- Tak
- VD: Vernica Downey
- MD: Madhu Dahiya
- BI: Bill Ives
SP: Steve Pomeroy
- Al
- BI: Bill Ives –>
There will be no Webcast.
Notes:
- Dave’s jumping right into the weblogs.com stuff
- lots of negative media coverage, AP flamed him
- we were moving servers
- free hosted sites, which he thought no one was using
- we tried to make the work, move them to servers monster1 and monster2
- Dave shows a snapshot of monster2, it’s running very slowly and doesn’t look well
- “the most demanding users are those that get things for free”
- people thought he quit the wrong way
- “most of them are mean, nasty people who get lots of joy out of other people’s pain”
- “it’s not my problem”
- he’s got a roadmap and laid out enough clues that a smart, motivated person can find them
- the blogs are moving to buzzword.com
- http://www.67.19.21.10:5336/httpLog (restricted access)
- Roger someone took over the blogs
- they’ve all been moved and will be redirected, resurrected
- he’s had about 200 offers for people to buy weblogs.com
- maybe the publicity wasn’t so bad afterall
- he hopes everyone got the message that backing up their data is important and that they’re responsible for their own data
- he said it’s funny how flamers create their own environment
- he doesn’t think it’ll reflect on his reputation at all
- Addendum 6/18: Dave wrote a followup to some of the things he talked about at the meeting.
- Dave’s maternal grandfather was a New York garment district guy
- new RSS spec for encoding HTML into feeds
- soliciting feedback
- RSS advisory board members won’t participate in the discussion to avoid debate
- LW: why is it a big deal? Is it a religious thing about XML? Is HTML bad?
- DW: “anyone who says you can’t have HTML in there is living on another planet”
- LW: “You mean this whole argument was about curly quotes?”
- DW: No, what it’s really about is that Atom needs a reason to exist and they don’t have one. “They have the same conflicting needs. They think they have a better way of doing it.”
- DW: Did they need to modify RSS to do it? No.
- Part of the problem seems to be related to how feeds, especially feeds with faulty HTML, like missing table or bold tags, would appear in an aggregator.
- DW: We’re going to put out some examples showing how RSS can incorporate Atom elements.
- DW: “There are some mistakes in RSS.”
- DW: “What would you guys change?”
- SR: change the difference between link and guid
- the guid element and the link element might point to the same thing
- it gets confusing
- DW: I got flamed by Mark Pilgrim for documenting how the spec came about; the more important element is guid. Guid has a purpose in the aggregator, a link just passes through.
- SR: change the difference between link and guid
- BS: Feedburner should convert Atom feeds from Blogger to RSS
- RH: What’s an XML namespace?
- DW: a collection of related elements that has a name
- SR: doesn’t an XML document have a default name?
- DW: that’s a whole ‘nuther part of this
- DW: Let’s do something special since next week (June 24) is my last week, but I’ll leave it up to the group to decide what to do.
- LW: Let’s go bowling!
- BS: Can we invite Robert Putnam [author of Bowling Alone]?