{"id":3793,"date":"2010-10-11T22:45:49","date_gmt":"2010-10-12T05:45:49","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blogs.law.harvard.edu\/yulelog\/?p=3793"},"modified":"2010-10-11T22:55:33","modified_gmt":"2010-10-12T05:55:33","slug":"do-green-and-make-green","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/archive.blogs.harvard.edu\/yulelog\/2010\/10\/11\/do-green-and-make-green\/","title":{"rendered":"Do green and make green"},"content":{"rendered":"

There are times, I think, when having a tumblr (vs a blog) would be cool – then it would be enough just to post, free-standing, the smack-down that Peter<\/a> Busby<\/a> (“one of Canada\u2019s leaders<\/a> in green architecture”) gives Bob<\/a> Rennie<\/a> (“the influential<\/a> Vancouver condo marketer who is the last say for many developers on what will sell”).<\/p>\n

In this conversation recorded by Frances Bula<\/a>, Busby and Rennie have just started talking about Victoria BC’s Dockside Green<\/a>:<\/p>\n

Mr. Busby:<\/strong> It [Dockside Green<\/a>] did not make money because it was priced competitively against non-green product. Dockside was competing against buildings that weren\u2019t trying to do anything in terms of green, so [the developer] didn\u2019t get much of a premium in the marketplace for his green features. And that came out of his profit. And that\u2019s why the project\u2019s dead right now. And that\u2019s why we have to have improved building codes. They must pay for a better envelope. Everything else is greenwash. If you don\u2019t make a better building that performs better, you\u2019re just putting green fuzz on buildings. (source<\/a>)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

I’m not heartened by reading Busby’s assessment of Dockside Green (that it’s “dead”), but he is so right to talk frankly to the marketer. I’ve been to developer luncheons – where there actually were developers who did real green projects – and their marketers (whom I spoke to as well) couldn’t get the facts, or push them into the marketplace. And I have no doubt that by the same token there are plenty of developers who continue to convince the moneybags and the marketers that it’s not possible to do green and make green.<\/p>\n

I’d like to start something in the space between their arguments – work on retrofitting existing housing, for example. So much work needs doing there.<\/p>\n

In case that Globe and Mail article link<\/a> goes dead, here’s one to CTV News, which carries the same interview\/ text<\/a>.<\/p>\n

n.b.: I do appreciate Bob Rennie’s last (literally) word:<\/p>\n

Mr. Rennie:<\/strong> I\u2019ll be there. But we can\u2019t just tell the consumer to pay more. This has to work for them and, if it doesn\u2019t, they aren\u2019t going to buy it. They\u2019ll move somewhere else, out of Vancouver. And, in the end, that\u2019s what we have to look at, not just what rich people in the city are willing to pay for.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

He gets it from the marketing p.o.v.: it’s no good if what you’re doing drives people away. Getting more people into your city is actually a good thing (something that too many people in Victoria absolutely do NOT get, sadly).<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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