{"id":617,"date":"2007-03-22T14:41:57","date_gmt":"2007-03-22T18:41:57","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blogs.law.harvard.edu\/shlep\/2007\/03\/22\/legal-info-vs-legal-advice-in-arizona-c"},"modified":"2007-03-23T08:35:56","modified_gmt":"2007-03-23T12:35:56","slug":"legal-info-vs-legal-advice-in-arizona-courts","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/archive.blogs.harvard.edu\/shlep\/2007\/03\/22\/legal-info-vs-legal-advice-in-arizona-courts\/","title":{"rendered":"legal info vs. legal advice in arizona courts"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 It is a mantra used\u00a0 by staff in courthouses and libraries throughout the English-speaking world: &#8220;We can give you legal information but not legal advice.&#8221;\u00a0 <em>E.g.<\/em>, see the Delaware State Court <a href=\"http:\/\/courts.delaware.gov\/How%20To\/?courtcando.htm\">We Can\/We Cannot<\/a>\u00a0page; John Greacen&#8217;s <a href=\"http:\/\/blogs.law.harvard.edu\/shlep\/wp-admin\/Legal%20information%20vs.%20legal%20advice\u2014%20Developments%20during%20the%20last%20five%20years,%20by%20John%20Greacen,%2084%20Judicature%20198%20(January-February%202001)\"><em>Judicature<\/em> article<\/a>\u00a0(2000); and Iowa&#8217;s <a href=\"http:\/\/www.ajs.org\/prose\/pdfs\/Iowa_Guidelines.pdf\">Guidelines &amp; Instructions for Clerks Who Assist Pro Se Litigants in Iowa\u2019s Courts<\/a>\u00a0(2000, 42-pp pdf).\u00a0 As you might suspect, making the distinction can be quite difficult &#8212; frustrating to both court personnel and <em>pro se<\/em> litigants.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" height=\"28\" alt=\"graphClimbS\" src=\"http:\/\/blogs.law.harvard.edu\/shlep\/files\/2007\/03\/graphClimbS.jpg\" width=\"35\" \/>\u00a0The Arizona Supreme Court decided last year to do something about the problem. Noting that &#8220;With the increase of self-represented litigants in Arizona, the issue of how to provide assistance and information to court customers without giving legal advice is becoming more critical and urgent,&#8221; it established a Task Force on Legal Advice-Legal Information.\u00a0 Earlier this month, the Task Force issued:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>its <a href=\"http:\/\/supreme.state.az.us\/courtserv\/Legal_A-I\/FinalReport.pdf\">Final Report<\/a> (March 2007, 6 pp pdf), which notes in fn. 1 that &#8220;Although Arizona Rules of Court define &#8216;practice of law&#8217; and &#8216;unauthorized practice of law,&#8217; the Rules do not define &#8216;legal advice.&#8217;\u201d<\/li>\n<li>a <a href=\"http:\/\/supreme.state.az.us\/courtserv\/Legal_A-I\/ManualGloss.pdf\"><em>GUIDE TO COURT CUSTOMER ASSISTANCE<\/em><\/a><em>: Legal Advice \u2013 Legal Information Guidelines for Arizona Court Personnel<\/em> (March 2007, 67-pp pdf; with a 40-page Glossary of Terms)<\/li>\n<li>a <a href=\"http:\/\/supreme.state.az.us\/courtserv\/Legal_A-I\/QRHandbook.pdf\"><em>Question and Response Handbook<\/em><\/a> (March 2007, 59-pp pdf).<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/supreme.state.az.us\/courtserv\/Legal_A-I\/Signage.pdf\">Signage<\/a>\u00a0[<em>Ed. Note<\/em>: This is a one-page Welcome \/ We Can \/ We Cannot sign, made\u00a0difficult to read by having\u00a0the\u00a0Seal of the Supreme Court appear behind the message.\u00a0 As I do whenever I see such lists, I wonder if the Task Force argued over &#8220;We May&#8221; and We Can&#8221;.]<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>The Task Force\u00a0documents will surely be helpful\u00a0for court personnel\u00a0who worry about crossing the info\/advise line (and about being sued for UPL).\u00a0 I am, nonetheless, a bit concerned that the tone is too stingy with\u00a0useful information.\u00a0 For example: <em>The Handbook<\/em> says: &#8220;When you are uncertain if you are being asked to give legal advice, please suggest that the one asking the question consult an attorney.&#8221;\u00a0 Telling a <em>pro se<\/em> litigant to consult an attorney\u00a0to answer one borderline question will seldom be\u00a0helpful.\u00a0 I&#8217;d say &#8220;bend over backward &#8212; or stick out your neck &#8212; to help them.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Also worrisome is the following pair of Questions and Answers in the Handbook:<\/p>\n<ol>\n<li><strong>Q. I can\u2019t afford an attorney. Can you tell me what to do?<br \/>\n<\/strong>A. Court personnel are not allowed to give legal advice and cannot guess what might be in a court customer\u2019s best interests. Court personnel must remain neutral; there may be a list of local resources of attorneys who will work for a reduced fee or no fee.<\/li>\n<li><strong>Q. Should I get a lawyer?<br \/>\n<\/strong>A. Parties are not required to have a lawyer to file papers or participate in a court case. Court personnel cannot advise a party whether the party should hire a lawyer, nor may they recommend a specific lawyer. The State Bar of Arizona provides a lawyer referral number at 602-252-4804 or 866-482-9227 and the local County Bar Association may have a referral number. Some courts provide a list of local attorneys and there may be a list of local resources of attorneys who will work for a reduced fee or no fee.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p>Both answers seem strangely incomplete in a <em>Handbook<\/em> specifically created to help the unrepresented litigant<em> in Arizona<\/em>.\u00a0 As\u00a0we have said on our <a href=\"http:\/\/blogs.law.harvard.edu\/shlep\/getting-self-help-help\/\">Getting Self-Help Help<\/a> page, Arizona has been a trailblazer in creating online and in-court Self Help Centers, and\u00a0the State\u00a0has a <a href=\"http:\/\/supreme.state.az.us\/selfserv\/locations.htm\">network of Self-Help Centers<\/a>, located in courthouses in at least a dozen counties.\u00a0 A <em>pro se<\/em> litigant who complains he or she cannot afford a lawyer or who asks whether a lawyer is needed, ought to &#8212; in addition to being told about attorney options &#8212; be pointed to the Self-Help Center down the hall (or across the room), which surely has relevant information and assistance.\u00a0 To respond by only suggesting they seek out a list of lawyers or the Bar Association&#8217;s referral program is inexplicable (unless, of course,\u00a0the Arizona Bar controlled the Task Force).\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>If you are a practitioner\/professional interested in this topic, please note that <a href=\"http:\/\/www.selfhelpsupport.org\/index.cfm\">SelfHelpSupport.org<\/a>&#8216;s April Webinar is &#8220;on Legal Advice vs. Legal Information.&#8221;\u00a0 Two experts,\u00a0John Greacen and Judy Meadows will present it on April 30, 2007 from 3-4:30 pm (EST) [I assume they mean EDST]. You need to be an SHS or SRLN member (it&#8217;s free and has many other benefits). You can sign up now by emailing anorris [AT] ncsc.dni.us.\u00a0<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Below the fold, I have\u00a0reproduced the Task Force definitions of &#8220;legal advice&#8221; and &#8220;legal information.&#8221;\u00a0\u00a0 <!--more--><br \/>\n\u00a0<br \/>\n__________________________________<\/p>\n<p>From page of of the &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/supreme.state.az.us\/courtserv\/Legal_A-I\/ManualGloss.pdf\">GUIDE TO COURT CUSTOMER ASSISTANCE<\/a>: Legal Advice \u2013 Legal Information Guidelines for Arizona Court Personnel&#8221; (March 2007, 67-pp pdf; has a 40-page Glossary of Terms):<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>IV. What Constitutes Legal Information<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Legal information is communication of facts about court procedures, timing and resources. It includes information contained in court records, examples of forms or pleadings, informational pamphlets, copies of statutes and court rules, procedures, practices and due dates.<\/p>\n<p>Legal information involves identifying available procedural options (within the scope of the personnel\u2019s knowledge) and helping customers understand and comply with court procedures.<\/p>\n<p>Legal information is generally about court process (how the court and its judges function), court rules, court records and forms. If that information can be found in a source that the court makes available to the public, you can either:<br \/>\n\u2022 Tell the customer yourself, if you know, or<br \/>\n\u2022 If you are unsure of the answer, direct the customer to the appropriate court personnel or other publicly available source.<\/p>\n<p>See the Question and Response Handbook for more details and specific examples.<br \/>\n<strong>V. What Constitutes Legal Advice\u00a0\u00a0 <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" height=\"26\" alt=\"black check\" src=\"http:\/\/blogs.law.harvard.edu\/shlep\/files\/2006\/08\/black%20check.gif\" width=\"30\" \/><\/strong>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Legal advice is a written or oral statement that:<br \/>\n\u2022 Interprets some aspect of the law, court rules, or court procedures, or recommends a specific course of conduct a person should take in an actual or potential legal proceeding,<br \/>\n\u2022 Applies the law to the individual person\u2019s specific factual circumstances, or<br \/>\n\u2022 Requires the person giving advice to have knowledge of the law and legal principles beyond familiarity with court requirements and procedures.<\/p>\n<p>Court customers are asking for legal advice when they ask whether or not they should proceed in a certain fashion. Telling a court customer \u201cwhat to do\u201d rather than \u201chow to do it\u201d may constitute giving legal advice. 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