{"id":5321,"date":"2014-07-07T10:34:00","date_gmt":"2014-07-07T14:34:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.martinkramer.org\/sandbox\/?p=5321"},"modified":"2014-07-07T10:34:00","modified_gmt":"2014-07-07T14:34:00","slug":"departure-from-lydda","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/archive.blogs.harvard.edu\/sandbox\/2014\/07\/departure-from-lydda\/","title":{"rendered":"Departure from Lydda"},"content":{"rendered":"

The first response<\/a> to my essay<\/a> on Ari Shavit’s Lydda “massacre” claim\u00a0has appeared over at Mosaic Magazine. It’s by Efraim Karsh, who not only seconds my doubts about the “massacre,” but questions Shavit’s claim\u00a0that the expulsion of Lydda’s population was planned in advance. Karsh:<\/p>\n

No exodus was foreseen in Israeli military plans for the city’s capture or was reflected in the initial phase of its occupation. Quite the contrary: the Israeli commander assured local dignitaries that the city’s inhabitants would be allowed to stay if they so wished. In line with that promise, the occupying Israeli force also requested a competent administrator and other personnel to run the affairs of the civilian population.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Only when some of the townspeople\u00a0refused to surrender and opened fire on Israeli forces did the calculation change, leading Israel to “encourage” the departure of the population.<\/p>\n

I found oblique confirmation of this in the 1988 film interview<\/a> with the military governor, Shmarya Gutman, now in the archives of the Palmah Museum. According to him, the original plan was to remove the fighting-age Arab men and take them prisoner. Had this been accomplished, the remaining population could not have organized itself for departure. Gutman:<\/p>\n

There was actually a decision to take the young men held in the [Great] Mosque and convey them onward\u00a0as prisoners. But I knew that if that happened, the whole departure operation wouldn’t be implemented. The place would remain a pressure cooker. We would be stuck with thousands of old people, just so that a few young men could be taken prisoner. I sent them off before the buses arrived [to transport them to detention]. When the buses came, they asked: “Where are they?” I said: “They all left.” “How’s that? We wanted to take them.” I said: “I didn’t receive an order.”<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

The interviewer asked Gutman whether he took that decision on his own accord. His answer: “I did everything on my own accord. I didn’t get an order to detain them.”<\/p>\n

Read Karsh’s full response here<\/a>. There are more responses to come.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

Was there a master plan to expel Palestinians? Efraim Karsh thinks not, and there’s additional evidence to support him. Continue reading →<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1167,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[101345,101346,2582,101347],"class_list":["post-5321","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized","tag-1948-war","tag-ari-shavit","tag-efraim-karsh","tag-lydda"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/archive.blogs.harvard.edu\/sandbox\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/5321","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/archive.blogs.harvard.edu\/sandbox\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/archive.blogs.harvard.edu\/sandbox\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/archive.blogs.harvard.edu\/sandbox\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1167"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/archive.blogs.harvard.edu\/sandbox\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=5321"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/archive.blogs.harvard.edu\/sandbox\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/5321\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/archive.blogs.harvard.edu\/sandbox\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=5321"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/archive.blogs.harvard.edu\/sandbox\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=5321"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/archive.blogs.harvard.edu\/sandbox\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=5321"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}