me: colin, are you on
\nColin: yes sir!
\nsitting next to dorothy z.
\nme: hey!!
\nnice
\nColin: hi – how’re you doing?
\nme: pls say hi
\nok
\nwish i was there
\nhow is it going
\nColin: us, too.
\nwell – tree’s been great, your message was perfect, mary did a great wrap on yesterday and jp is raising a lot of imp questions.
\naudience is pretty quiet so far
\nhoping they’ll jump in starting w\/q a
\nme: how full is the room
\nColin: pretty full – probably 80%
\nme: not bad
\nColin: lots of repeaters from yesterday
\nit’s good
\nme: what was the vibe at the end of yesterday
\nColin: hmm – it was pretty good…
\ni think the bok\/hyman
\nand ff sessions were great
\nthe first sessions were pretty productive
\nand the last ones could’ve been better – we
\nweren’t proscriptive enough
\nand w\/so many issues on table
\ni think there was some wheel spinning, return to old arguments
\nrather than a reframe
\ni’d give it (hard grader that i am)
\nb+\/a-
\nme: do people have thoughts about how to pull together better?
\nColin: i think karim will do a good session this afternoon
\nhe wants to take on
\nknowledge beyond authority
\ni think that’ll be good
\nand david w. will do a good wrap
\ni think yesterday was good – but a reality check:
\nlots of shared zones in some areas
\nsome real contention, too
\nuptake on ideas of norms
\nbut fear from lords: advocacy for drm, for university enforcement, etc.
\nwhich was not welcomed
\nindeed, some advocacy for digging in against it.
\nSent at 10:07 AM on Friday
\nme: if you had to pick out one issue on which there was joinder and prospect for moving forward
\nColin: the low hanging fruit seemed to be norms\/procedures for fair use
\nthe question is whether content folks
\nwill give that up (even in their interest)
\nw\/out enforcement.
\nbut i think that’s trust building across sectors
\nmutually beneficial (reduce lawyer loads\/uncertainty)
\nhopefully productive (more neat content)
\nbut also will be tricky
\nme: are the reed elsivier folk still there
\nSent at 10:12 AM on Friday
\nColin: not sure – dreamt about ys chi, who i didn’t find in afternoon – i think mark seely is
\nSent at 10:13 AM on Friday
\nme: could you get whatever corp folk together for a face to face conversation
\nColin: and ask them if they’re game for that?
\nme: or do you think i could ask them by email to reet me in second life
\ni want to ask them to help us put together a norms generating meeting using our invitational power to do it on an agenda of their choosing
\nColin: i think that’s a longshot – unless they’re sl’ers
\none question – is whether we need to do an internal norm setting first
\nor start in dialogue w\/them
\nconcern being that we don’t have our own ducks in a row.
\nme: norms are positive
\nwe have that duck in a row
\nuncertainty is killing us
\nColin: agreed
\nme: except the lawyers
\nSent at 10:17 AM on Friday
\nColin: any objection to picking them off one by one?
\nme: no objection
\nColin: i’ll give it a whirl – agenda of their choosing?
\nnorms around fair use or wider?
\nSent at 10:20 AM on Friday
\nme: tell me this is being recorded
\nethan’s observation wonderful
\nterry martin perfect
\nColin: it is
\nme: yes we are on both sides
\nyes we are reed elsivier as well as we are harvard mit
\ncitizen professor
\ncitizen student
\ncitizen
\nthat’s what those dots are
\nknowledge above authority is the knowledge that our challenge is to govern ourselves
\nknowledge above authority is norm that we live by without a stick beating on us
\nnorm generation is self governance
\nnow we are talking
\nterry dramatic pause
\nyes
\nColin: this is JP
\nme: this question terry is on is right on
\nColin: I want to channel you for the close to this session
\nme: hi jp
\nColin: what should I say
\nme: fantastic
\nlet this discussion go
\nwho is speaking
\nis this harry
\nColin: was Harry yup
\nme: did the harvard interactive media group pass out their magazine
\nwho now
\nColin: not sure — student I think
\nnow Nolan Bowie
\nSent at 10:30 AM on Friday
\nme: right on nolan
\nColin: colin back now
\nme: hey colin, i’m loving this
\nColin: great – ball is rolling now!
\nme: who is this
\nColin: dunno
\nthis one either – i know him, but don’t remember his name\/affil.
\nme: nolan let’s start by connecting cambridge
\ncolin i’m imagining this going up on my blog out from under chatham rules
\nlike i’m speaking through you to the conference
\nColin: no rules today!
\nme: this guy, who is he, he’s great
\nColin: i was thinking about your mail
\nme: network of networks, harvard mit, …, university
\nSent at 10:37 AM on Friday
\nColin: of last night – i think you just need to take out the names – or clear it with them…
\nno chatham today
\nme: ok<\/p>\n
***
\nhey tree, jp, ethan,
\ni was on im with colin listening and watching the video stream
\ni’ve posted the chat to my blog
\nwith thoughts about dots and knowledge and such<\/p>\n
you have put the questions out there beautifully
\nethan just beautifully coming in behind
\nhis comment an essay to be written
\nterry and harry lewis and terry martin and others whose names we need to for post edit
\nsolid and wise
\nand bless nolan for bringing it home<\/p>\n
thank you
\ni’m off to the operating room
\nhope to be back by the end of the afternoon<\/p>\n
each dot is a citizen of cyberspace
\ngene koo is i hope bringing in for a landing our effort to connect the dots with the dred scott question of citizenship into our start at a new kind of casebook from a new concept of university
\nconnecting us back to 1998 Internet & Society<\/p>\n
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