{"id":1103,"date":"2019-11-26T17:58:39","date_gmt":"2019-11-26T17:58:39","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blogs.harvard.edu\/lamont\/?p=1103"},"modified":"2019-12-01T21:59:47","modified_gmt":"2019-12-01T21:59:47","slug":"how-i-responded-to-the-harvard-crimsons-request-for-comment-on-its-extension-school-degree-article","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/archive.blogs.harvard.edu\/lamont\/2019\/11\/26\/how-i-responded-to-the-harvard-crimsons-request-for-comment-on-its-extension-school-degree-article\/","title":{"rendered":"How I responded to The Harvard Crimson&#8217;s request for comment on its Extension School degree article"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><em>The Harvard Crimson<\/em> just published an article about the Harvard Extension School degree designations. I&#8217;ve been writing about <a href=\"http:\/\/blogs.harvard.edu\/lamont\/2013\/09\/18\/harvard-extension-school-resume-guidelines-are-bogus\/\">Harvard Extension School ALM and ALB degree designations<\/a> for more than 10 years on Ipso Facto and the Harvard Extended blog, and know quite a bit about this topic. <em>The Crimson<\/em> isn&#8217;t <a href=\"https:\/\/www.thecrimson.com\/article\/2019\/11\/25\/extension-school-degree-names\/\">breaking any new ground with its article<\/a>, although for many current Harvard College undergraduates it&#8217;s probably the first time they&#8217;ve ever heard about the issue.<\/p>\n<p>The <em>Crimson<\/em> reporter also asked me for a phone interview. Here is my response:<\/p>\n<p><em>Thanks for reaching out. I don&#8217;t do voice interviews about the Extension School &#8212; it&#8217;s a charged topic, and frankly the treatment of the Extension School by the Crimson and other institutions at Harvard has skewed negative over the years, typically <a href=\"https:\/\/www.thecrimson.com\/search\/?cx=013815813102981840311%3Aaw6l9tjs1a0&amp;cof=FORID%3A10&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;q=abe+liu&amp;sa=\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">focusing<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.thecrimson.com\/article\/2011\/3\/24\/conference-speakers-views-harvard\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">on<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.thecrimson.com\/article\/2014\/5\/12\/hatred-at-harvard\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">scandal<\/a> or how <a href=\"https:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20160312114058\/http:\/\/www.thecrimson.com\/article\/2006\/5\/7\/uc-questions-wording-of-extension-degrees\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">we don&#8217;t deserve equal treatment<\/a>, and often leaving out important context.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>The serious students, the success stories, the accomplishments, the areas where the school is doing some very innovative things &#8230; those are rarely covered by The Crimson. The Harvard Gazette sometimes does, but it also avoids any discussion of the name issue\/unequal treatment. This is part of the reason why I have been active on my <a href=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/harvardextended\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">@harvardextended<\/a> twitter account and blogging (<a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.harvard.edu\/lamont\/tag\/harvard-extension-school\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Ipso Facto<\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/harvardextended.blogspot.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Harvard Extended<\/a>) where I try to explore both the good and bad aspects of HES.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>Regarding your specific question:<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>Despite years of lobbying by the former Extension School dean, various petitions and letter-writing campaigns, and online activism, the Faculty Council and Mass Hall have consistently blocked or ignored any attempt to change the name of the Extension School or the ridiculous &#8220;In Extension Studies&#8221; degree designation. The University has further taken steps to exclude Extension School students from housing and open cross-registration with other schools at Harvard. As a graduate student at MIT, it was even possible for me to cross-register for classes at Harvard Business School, the Graduate School of Education, and the Harvard Kennedy School. An MIT classmate even studied at the Divinity School! Yet as a matriculated graduate student at the Extension School, I was forbidden from attending classes for credit at any of these schools.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>Taken together, this state of affairs perpetuates the elitist notion that the Extension School isn&#8217;t really part of the Harvard community, and students do not deserve the same treatment or respect accorded others at the University.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>In the short term, the only hope for change on the naming front would involve sustained demonstrations outside of Faculty Council meetings and Mass Hall. Failing that, there won&#8217;t be change until a new generation of faculty, trustee, and University leadership takes office and realizes that the Extension School, far from being an &#8220;extension&#8221; of Harvard, is in fact a crucible for innovation, accomplishment, and community involvement that the rest of the University should look up to.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>You are welcome to use any part of this email in your article.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>The reporter did not use any of this material in her story, so I am publishing it here.<\/p>\n<p>Lastly, I give credit to outgoing Dean Huntington Lambert for commenting at length about why &#8220;in Extension Studies&#8221; is academically incorrect for graduates who concentrated in computer science, history, or biology. That said, there is a lot more that could have been written about the difficulties that students and alumni experience when presenting a resume with a strange &#8220;official&#8221; designation. People have been negatively impacted, as one <a href=\"http:\/\/blogs.harvard.edu\/lamont\/2016\/04\/18\/a-petition-to-change-harvard-extension-school-diplomas\/\">ALM software engineering concentrator found out<\/a> when he attempted to find a job.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The Harvard Crimson just published an article about the Harvard Extension School degree designations. I&#8217;ve been writing about Harvard Extension School ALM and ALB degree designations for more than 10 years on Ipso Facto and the Harvard Extended blog, and know quite a bit about this topic. The Crimson isn&#8217;t breaking any new ground with [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":3864,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[439,2933,103],"class_list":["post-1103","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized","tag-harvard","tag-harvard-extension-school","tag-media"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/archive.blogs.harvard.edu\/lamont\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1103","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/archive.blogs.harvard.edu\/lamont\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/archive.blogs.harvard.edu\/lamont\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/archive.blogs.harvard.edu\/lamont\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/3864"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/archive.blogs.harvard.edu\/lamont\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=1103"}],"version-history":[{"count":6,"href":"https:\/\/archive.blogs.harvard.edu\/lamont\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1103\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":1109,"href":"https:\/\/archive.blogs.harvard.edu\/lamont\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1103\/revisions\/1109"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/archive.blogs.harvard.edu\/lamont\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=1103"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/archive.blogs.harvard.edu\/lamont\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=1103"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/archive.blogs.harvard.edu\/lamont\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=1103"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}