{"id":5301,"date":"2006-05-08T18:28:54","date_gmt":"2006-05-08T22:28:54","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blogs.law.harvard.edu\/formerlyknownas\/2006\/05\/08\/upl-and-the-ohio-lawyers-guil"},"modified":"2011-08-05T14:53:56","modified_gmt":"2011-08-05T18:53:56","slug":"upl-and-the-ohio-lawyers-guild","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/archive.blogs.harvard.edu\/ethicalesq\/2006\/05\/08\/upl-and-the-ohio-lawyers-guild\/","title":{"rendered":"upl and the Ohio lawyers&#8217; guild"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/blogs.law.harvard.edu\/ethicalesq\/files\/2007\/09\/ohiomapn.gif\" alt=\"\" \/> Thanks to <\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/www.pointoflaw.com\/archives\/002460.php\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif\"><span style=\"font-size: x-small\"><em>Blawg Review<\/em> #56<\/span><\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\">, which is hosted by <em>Point of Law<\/em> this week,<\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\"> I learned today <\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif\"><span style=\"font-size: x-small\">that another bunch of <span style=\"color: #000000\">Ohio lawyers<\/span> [prior <\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/blogs.law.harvard.edu\/ethicalesq\/2006\/01\/26#a5841\"><span style=\"font-size: x-small\">post]<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-size: x-small\"> is &#8220;protecting&#8221;<\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif\"><span style=\"font-size: x-small\"> consumers <\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\">by protecting themselves from competition. <\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/www.overlawered.com\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;color: #000000;font-size: x-small\">Walter Olson<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif\"><span style=\"font-size: x-small\"> writes<\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-size: x-small\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif\"> <\/span><\/span>for <em>BR#<\/em>56:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<blockquote>\n<p dir=\"ltr\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\">&#8220;If you set out to devise a case that would bring unauthorized practice of law statutes into public disrepute, you could hardly<\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\"> have done better than the Cleveland bar, which is seeking to<\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\"> punish a nonlawyer for representing his own autistic son in IDEA<\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\"> (special-education) proceedings&#8211;even though the father and son<\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif\"><span style=\"font-size: x-small\"><em> prevailed<\/em> in the proceedings, undercutting any consumer-protection<\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\"> line of argument. Prof. Ribstein <\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/busmovie.typepad.com\/ideoblog\/2006\/05\/is_lawyer_licen.html\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;color: #000000;font-size: x-small\">isn&#8217;t impressed <\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\">with the bar&#8217;s action<\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\"> (&#8220;I am beginning to wonder whether it&#8217;s worth preserving any piece of<\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\"> lawyers&#8217; monopoly on legal representation&#8221;), and neither is the Berk<\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\">eley, Calif. blogger who posts at<\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/bookwormroom.wordpress.com\/2006\/05\/05\/this-is-why-people-think-lawyers-are-bottom-feeders\/\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;color: #000000;font-size: x-small\"> Bookworm Room<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\">. [But see:<\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jonathanbwilson.com\/2006.05.01_arch.html#1147096243087\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;color: #000000;font-size: x-small\"> Jonathan Wilson<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\">, &#8220;Is Lawyer Licensing Necessary? A Response to<\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\"> Professor Ribstein, &#8221; May 8, 2006]<\/span><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\"> <\/span><span style=\"font-family: Arial;font-size: x-small\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/blogs.law.harvard.edu\/ethicalesq\/files\/2007\/09\/boyblackboards.gif\" alt=\"\" \/><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\"> A similar case that is worth a look came out of Delaware, in 2000. In the<\/span><em><a href=\"http:\/\/wrightslaw.com\/law\/caselaw\/DE_arons.htm\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;color: #000000;font-size: x-small\"> Matter of Arons<\/span><\/a><\/em><span style=\"font-size: x-small\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif\"> <\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif\">(Delware Supreme Court, 456 A.2d 867, 2000), <em>cert. den<\/em>.<\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\"> 121 Sup. Ct. 2215 (2001), the Delaware Supreme Court ruled that, by<\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\"> representing families of children with disabilities in due process hearings,<\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\"> Marilyn Arons and her partner, Ruth Watson, were engaged in the unauthor<\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif\"><span style=\"font-size: x-small\">ized practice of law (UPL). (related <\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/wrightslaw.com\/news\/2000\/DE_arons.htm\"><span style=\"color: #000000;font-size: x-small\">article<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-size: x-small\">)  The local <\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\">School Board had<\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\"> accused Arons of UPL &#8212; in a situation where the <\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\">Board was being asked<\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\"> to pay the expenses of victorious parents, who <\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\">had fought the Board over<\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\"> their children&#8217;s educational rights, with the help of <\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\">Arons and Watson (and<\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\"> their <\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/www.picofnj.org\/\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\">Parent Information Center<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\">). <\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p dir=\"ltr\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.citizen.org\/litigation\/briefs\/Non_Lawyer\/articles.cfm?ID=1067\"><span style=\"color: black\">Public Citizen<\/span><\/a> represented Arons in her unsuccessful <\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\">petition for certiorari, <\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\">which can be <\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\">found <\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/www.citizen.org\/litigation\/briefs\/Non_Lawyer\/articles.cfm?ID=1067\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\">here<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\">.  One very important point <\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\">was emphasized in Public<\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\"> Citizen&#8217;s <\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\"><em>cert<\/em> petition &#8212; the experience and competence of the nonlawyers: <\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\">&#8220;[T]here is no question that non-lawyers like Ms. Arons and Ms.<\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\">Watson are competent to advocate effectively on behalf of families<\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\"> with disabled children. To be effective, an advocate at an IDEA hearing<\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\"> must be familiar with the clinical aspects of the child&#8217;s condition (skills<\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\"> that lawyers ordinarily lack), as well as the rules governing the conduct<\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\"> of the hearing. [cite omitted]  Non-lawyers with &#8220;special knowledge<\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\"> and training with respect to the problems of children with disabilities&#8221; are<\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\"> fully capable of presenting the parents&#8217; case to the panel. Indeed, Ms.<\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\">Arons and Ms. Watson obtained significant relief in each of the five cases<\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\"> at issue here, even though they were matched against members of the<\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\"> Delaware Bar.&#8221;<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/cyber.law.harvard.edu\/blogs\/static\/ethicalesq\/tinycheck.gif\" alt=\"tiny check\" \/> The same school district is involved in a case argued before the <\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\">US Supreme Court last month (April 19, 2006), over whether Arons<\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\"> should be awarded fees for nonlawyer advice and advocacy in a<\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\"> disabilities case. See <\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/www.wrightslaw.com\/law\/caselaw\/05\/2nd.arlington.murphy.htm\"><em><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;color: #000000;font-size: x-small\">Murphy v. Arlington Central<\/span><\/em><\/a><a href=\"http:\/\/www.wrightslaw.com\/law\/caselaw\/05\/2nd.arlington.murphy.htm\"><em><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;color: #000000;font-size: x-small\"> School District<\/span><\/em><\/a><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\">,<\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\"> 2nd Cir. 2005, and find a summary at<span style=\"color: #000000\"><em> <\/em><\/span><\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/www.wrightslaw.com\/news\/06\/arlington.murphy.htm\"><em><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;color: #000000;font-size: x-small\">WrightsLaw<\/span><\/em><\/a><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\">.com.<\/span><\/p>\n<p dir=\"ltr\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/cyber.law.harvard.edu\/blogs\/static\/ethicalesq\/scalesrichpoorneg.jpg\" alt=\"scales rich poor neg\" \/><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\"> To learn more on the unauthorized practice of law (or its obverse: defining the <\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\">practice of law), I&#8217;d suggest taking  a look at our <\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/blogs.law.harvard.edu\/ethicalesq\/stories\/storyReader$90\"><span style=\"color: #000000\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif\"><span style=\"font-size: x-small\"><em>ethicalEsq<\/em> UPL Page<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\">.  The article <\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\">&#8220;<\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/www.halt.org\/reform_projects\/freedom_of_legal_information\/pdf\/Turner_Legal_Times_020303.pdf\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\">Lawyer vs. NonLawyer<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-size: x-small\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif\">,&#8221; by <\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif\">HALT&#8217;s Executive Director, Jim Turner, has a useful <\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\">discussion on crafting a consumer-friendly defintion of the practice of law. (from <\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif\"><span style=\"font-size: x-small\"><em>Legal Times<\/em>, Feb. 3, 2003, 2 pp, pdf.).  And, <\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/www.halt.org\/reform_projects\/freedom_of_legal_information\/unauthorized_practice_of_law\/\"><span style=\"color: black;font-size: x-small\">HALT&#8217;s UPL page<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-size: x-small\"> sets forth the prin<\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\">ciples endorsed by the consumer legal reform group for treating the unauthorized <\/span><span style=\"font-size: x-small\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif\">practice of law<\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif\">:<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\"><em>One of the most effective ways to increase consumer choice in legal <\/em><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\"><em>services would be to abolish unauthorized practice statutes. As the<\/em><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\"><em> simple and routine legal needs of millions of Americans continue to go<\/em><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\"><em>unmet each year, it is critical that consumers be able to utilize inde<\/em><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\"><em>pendent paralegals and other nonlawyer resources. <\/em><\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p dir=\"ltr\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\">At the core of HALT&#8217;s efforts to reform restrictions on unauthorized practice<\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\"> are three principles: <\/span><\/p>\n<ol>\n<li><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\">The <em>unauthorized practice of law<\/em> means saying you are a lawyer when<\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\"> you are not; <\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\">Innovative partnering between lawyers and nonlawyers is permissible with<\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\"> client consent after full disclosure of work and fee arrangements; and<\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\">A client or customer complaint should be required before unauthorized<\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\"> practice of law proceedings can be initiated.<\/span><\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p dir=\"ltr\">\n<p dir=\"ltr\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/cyber.law.harvard.edu\/blogs\/static\/ethicalesq\/scalesv.gif\" alt=\"scales over\" \/><\/span><\/p>\n<p dir=\"ltr\">\n<p dir=\"ltr\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif\"><span style=\"font-size: x-small\"> <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\">On the broad topic of professional licensing, there are many viewpoints.  For example, see: <\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/www.nolo.com\/democracy_corner\/article.cfm\/objectid\/58CD8546-19B3-4158-81502D7BB96CB842\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;color: #000000;font-size: x-small\">Restrict Lawyers&#8217; Licenses<\/span><\/a><strong> &#8212; <\/strong>Authored by attorney Ralph Warner, this Nolo.com<span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\"> Soap Box Column states that &#8220;A license to practice law is no guarantee of legal <\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\">knowledge, skill or experience. Incompetent lawyers regularly mislead and defraud <\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\">clients who rely on the promise of expertise that the lawyer label brings.&#8221;  Warner <\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\">concludes:<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p dir=\"ltr\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\">&#8220;When it comes to lawyers who sell personal legal services, a lawyer&#8217;s <\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\">license should be limited to specific subject areas &#8212; for example, family <\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\">law, criminal law, tax or probate. A separate exam should be given for <\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\">each specialty. That way, an exam could test the skills and knowledge <\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\">needed by a lawyer who wants to represent clients in a particular legal subject area.&#8221; <\/span><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p dir=\"ltr\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;color: #000000;font-size: x-small\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.clr.org\/lawyers.html\"><em>Protecting lawyers, not clients<\/em><\/a><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\"> &#8212; In this article by George C. Leef (for the Cato<\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\"> Institute), the author argues that  &#8220;The best means of delivering affordable legal <\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\">services to the public with minimal risk of harm is through a competitive market<\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\">place, backed up with remedies for fraud and incompetence. Professionals want <\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\">to do competent work for their clients. Fear of failure and financial loss is a stronger<\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\"> deterrent to incompetent work than any licensing scheme&#8221; and concludes that <\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif\"><span style=\"font-size: x-small\"><em>&#8220;<\/em>Competition works as well in legal services as in other markets. But we&#8217;ll have to<\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\"> get rid of the UPL statutes to enjoy the benefits.&#8221;<\/span><\/p>\n<p dir=\"ltr\">\n<p dir=\"ltr\"><a href=\"http:\/\/ssrn.com\/abstract=622761\"><em><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;color: #000000;font-size: x-small\">The Objective of Professional Licensing<\/span><\/em><\/a><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\"> &#8212; In &#8220;What is the Objective of Professional<\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\"> Licensing? Evidence from the US Market for Lawyers&#8221; (Nov 2004), Turin Univ. Professor <\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\">Mario Pagliero finds that the objective of such regulation in the USA is explained by<\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\"> capture theory, rather than public interest theory, and that &#8220;licensing increases annual <\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\">entry salaries by more than $20,000, &#8221; with a total welfare loss of over $6 billion. (This<\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\"> link accesses an abstract, but the entire study is available with a free registration.) <\/span><\/p>\n<p dir=\"ltr\">\n<p dir=\"ltr\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\">Prof. Ribstein&#8217;s suggestion that<em> no<\/em> licensing might be a better<\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\"> alternative for clients seems rather extreme. For example, first moving to a <\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\">disciplinary <\/span><span style=\"font-family: Arial;font-size: x-small\">system that is <em>not<\/em> dominated by the legal profession seems more<\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\"> prudent [see our <a href=\"http:\/\/blogs.law.harvard.edu\/ethicalesq\/2003\/06\/22#a72\">post<\/a> <span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\">&#8220;Should Lawyers Control Lawyer Discipline?,&#8221; as well as<\/span> the <a href=\"http:\/\/blogs.law.harvard.edu\/ethicalesq\/2003\/09\/30\">post<\/a> &#8220;UK Gets Improved Lawyer Discipline System] <\/span> The analysis given by<a href=\"http:\/\/www.jonathanbwilson.com\/2006.05.01_arch.html#1147096243087\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\">Jonathan Wilson<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\"> in support <\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\">of continued <\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\">licensing rings true: <\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\">&#8220;My defense of lawyer licensing is not a defense of the status quo <\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\">with respect to the various bars.<\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\">More accurately, though, lawyer licensing is necessary because <\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\">legal services are precisely the kind of good for which the market <\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\">is an inefficient method of regulation. . .<\/span><\/p>\n<p dir=\"ltr\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\">&#8220;Corporate buyers of legal services do, in fact, have little need of<\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\"> state licensing.  The corporate legal marketplace, if left to its own <\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\">devices, would, in the long run, produce an efficient price and tend<\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\"> to wean out poor producers of legal services.<\/span><\/p>\n<p dir=\"ltr\">\n<p dir=\"ltr\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\">&#8220;A second market, however, is the consumer market.  Consumers<\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\"> are generally ill-equipped to evaluate their own legal needs and are <\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\">generally unable to evaluate the merits of competing producers.<\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\">Consumers cannot evaluate competing price proposals . . .<\/span><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p dir=\"ltr\"><span style=\"font-family: Arial;font-size: x-small\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/cyber.law.harvard.edu\/blogs\/static\/ethicalesq\/complaintbillF.gif\" alt=\"complaint billF\" \/><\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<blockquote>\n<blockquote>\n<blockquote>\n<blockquote>\n<blockquote><\/blockquote>\n<\/blockquote>\n<\/blockquote>\n<\/blockquote>\n<\/blockquote>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\">&#8220;The current state of lawyer licensing may be flawed, but it is better<\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\"> than the state of affairs that would exist if lawyering was utterly un<\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\">licensed.&#8221;  . . .<\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\">Nonetheless, as can be seen in materials on our <\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/blogs.law.harvard.edu\/ethicalesq\/stories\/storyReader$36\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;color: #000000;font-size: x-small\">Access\/Self-Help\/Pro Se<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\"> Page, the<em> f\/k\/a<\/em> Gang believes that much more should be done to enable<\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\"> consumers to handle much of their legal problems on their own.  In addition,<\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\"> so long as the consumer <em>clearly understands<\/em> that a particular service pro<\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\">vider <em>does not<\/em> have a law degree, and general consumer protection laws<\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\"> against fraudulent, unfair, or deceptive practices are adequately enforced,<\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\"> consumers should be allowed to choose nonlawyer providers.  Consumers <\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\">who want a &#8220;real&#8221; lawyer should have the protection of well-crafted and <\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\">im<\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif;font-size: x-small\">plemented licensing regimes.  Informed choice and oversight by consumer-<\/span><span style=\"font-family: Arial\"><span style=\"font-size: x-small\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif\">oriented regulators (not by the local lawyers&#8217; guild), should increase options and price competition. <\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<blockquote>\n<blockquote>\n<blockquote>\n<blockquote><\/blockquote>\n<\/blockquote>\n<\/blockquote>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p dir=\"ltr\"><span style=\"font-family: Arial\"><span style=\"font-size: x-small\"> <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p dir=\"ltr\"><span style=\"font-family: Arial;font-size: x-small\"><em><strong>p.s.<\/strong><\/em> Thanks to Carolyn Elefant, writing at <a href=\"http:\/\/legalblogwatch.typepad.com\/legal_blog_watch\/2006\/05\/more_stupid_law.html\"><em><span style=\"color: black\">Inside Opinions<\/span><\/em><\/a><span style=\"color: black\">, I learned<\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Arial;color: black;font-size: x-small\"> this evening that, making some rather lame excuses, the Cleveland Bar <\/span><span style=\"color: black\"><span style=\"font-family: Arial;font-size: x-small\">has dropped its UPL case against <\/span><span style=\"font-family: Arial;font-size: x-small\">Brian and Susan Woods, the parents<\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Arial;font-size: x-small\"><span style=\"font-family: Arial;font-size: x-small\"> who had (successfully) represented <\/span><span style=\"font-family: Arial;font-size: x-small\">their child<\/span><span style=\"color: black\">.  See <a href=\"http:\/\/www.cleveland.com\/news\/plaindealer\/index.ssf?\/base\/cuyahoga\/114681851927890.xml&amp;coll=2\"><em><span style=\"color: black\">Cleveland Plain Dealer<\/span><\/em><\/a><span style=\"color: black\">,<\/span> &#8220;Lawyers&#8217; Group drops claim against parents,&#8221; May 5, 2006; and <\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2006\/05\/06\/us\/06parents.html?ex=1304568000&amp;en=a43a409cbf85f8ab&amp;ei=5090&amp;partner=rssuserland&amp;emc=rss\"><em><span style=\"color: black\">NYT<\/span><\/em><\/a>,<\/span><span style=\"font-family: Arial;font-size: x-small\"> &#8220;Nonlawyer Father Wins His Suit Over Education, and the Bar Is Upset,&#8221; <\/span><span style=\"font-family: Arial;font-size: x-small\">May 6, 2006.<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p dir=\"ltr\">\n<\/blockquote>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Arial;font-size: x-small\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/cyber.law.harvard.edu\/blogs\/static\/ethicalesq\/tinycheck.gif\" alt=\"tiny check\" \/> A haiku break with<span style=\"color: black\"> Prof. <\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/blogs.law.harvard.edu\/ethicalesq\/stories\/storyReader$3720\"><strong><span style=\"color: red\">Randy Brooks<\/span><\/strong><\/a><span style=\"color: red\">:<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>missing in action<br \/>\nshe dusts off his guitar<br \/>\nreturns it to the shelf<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<blockquote><p>empty farm wagon<br \/>\na cell phone<br \/>\nbuzzing under the hay<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>lock out . . .<br \/>\nworkers burn the editorials<br \/>\nto warm their hands<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; from <em>World Haiku Review<\/em>, Vintage Haiku<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>gramma hoes the beans<br \/>\na weed clings<br \/>\nto her nylon anklet<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<blockquote><p>door left open . . .<br \/>\nthere he goes<br \/>\nwith his kite<\/p>\n<p>&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.. from <em>School&#8217;s Out<\/em> (Press Here, 1999)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Thanks to Blawg Review #56, which is hosted by Point of Law this week, I learned today that another bunch of Ohio lawyers [prior post] is &#8220;protecting&#8221; consumers by protecting themselves from competition. 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