{"id":4847,"date":"2004-05-24T00:27:01","date_gmt":"2004-05-24T04:27:01","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blogs.law.harvard.edu\/formerlyknownas\/2004\/05\/24\/clients-treated-like-adults-i"},"modified":"2011-08-05T14:58:44","modified_gmt":"2011-08-05T18:58:44","slug":"clients-treated-like-adults-in-florida-lawyers-too","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/archive.blogs.harvard.edu\/ethicalesq\/2004\/05\/24\/clients-treated-like-adults-in-florida-lawyers-too\/","title":{"rendered":"Clients Treated Like Adults in Florida! (Lawyers, too)"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a name='a1536'><\/a><\/p>\n<p><DIV><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">Although facing raging nannyism (over sex with clients) and enraged ninnyism (over advertising by lawyers), the Florida Supreme Court has issued revised rules of professional conduct for lawyers that demonstrate a belief that clients who have reached their majority are indeed adults.&nbsp; The rules suggest that lawyers might be responsible adults, too.&nbsp; (See <\/FONT><A href=\"http:\/\/www.flcourts.org\/sct\/sctdocs\/bin\/sc03-705.pdf\"><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">Amendment to the Rules Regulating The Florida Bar<\/FONT><\/A><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">, 5\/20\/2004.&nbsp; As usual, <\/FONT><A href=\"http:\/\/www.sunethics.com\/bio.htm\"><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">Tim Chinaris<\/FONT><\/A><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">&nbsp;has done an excellent job at <\/FONT><A href=\"http:\/\/www.sunethics.com\/news_item_14.htm\"><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">sunEthics<\/FONT><\/A><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">, summarizing the rule changes and linking to relevant materials).<\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><\/FONT>&nbsp;<\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/cyber.law.harvard.edu\/blogs\/static\/ethicalesq\/embracesmall.gif\" alt=\"embrace small\" \/>&nbsp; As for the <STRONG>nannyism<\/STRONG>, see the concurring opinion of <STRONG>Justice Pariente<\/STRONG> [apt name] in<EM> <A href=\"http:\/\/www.flcourts.org\/sct\/sctdocs\/ops\/sc94965.pdf\">Florida Bar v. Bryant<\/A><\/EM>, 813 So.2d 38 (Fla. 2002), where the judge recommends the&nbsp;total prohibition of sexual relationships between a lawyer and client during the lawyer-client relationship (leaving no loophole for prior relationships &#8212; nor even mentioning spouses.)&nbsp;&nbsp; Justice Pariente favorably quotes a law review article stating:<\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<BLOCKQUOTE><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><EM>Even an arguably &#8220;consensual&#8221; relationship could end up with a client alleging she was coerced or manipulated into the relationship. An express rule would protect the client from the attorney and the attorney from the client, thereby preserving the integrity of the legal profession. <\/EM><\/FONT><\/DIV><\/BLOCKQUOTE><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT size=\"+0\"><FONT face=\"Arial\"><FONT size=\"2\"><EM><STRONG>Note<\/STRONG><\/EM>: the <\/FONT><\/FONT><A href=\"http:\/\/www.flcourts.org\/sct\/sctdocs\/ops\/sc94965.pdf\"><EM><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">Bryant<\/FONT><\/EM><\/A><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"> opinion should be <STRONG>R-rated<\/STRONG>, but please finish reading&nbsp;this posting before checking it out.&nbsp; <EM>Sneak preview<\/EM>: Lawyer Bryant told his client, &#8220;the happier you keep me, the harder I will work.&#x201D;)&nbsp; &nbsp;<EM>ethicalEsq<\/EM> fully explained his disagreement with absolute prohibitions <\/FONT><A href=\"http:\/\/blogs.law.harvard.edu\/ethicalesq\/2003\/08\/03#a166\"><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">here<\/FONT><\/A><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">, and the current Editor, not surprisingly,&nbsp;concurs.&nbsp;&nbsp; <\/FONT><\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><\/FONT>&nbsp;<\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT size=\"+0\"><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">The prior rule in Florida banned sexual relations that &#8220;exploit&#8221; a client.&nbsp; <\/FONT><A href=\"http:\/\/www.sunethics.com\/news_item_14.htm\"><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">sunEthics<\/FONT><\/A><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"> (05\/20\/04) has a good summary of the changes:<\/FONT><\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<BLOCKQUOTE><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">The revised rule provides that a lawyer may not &#8220;engage in sexual conduct with a client or a representative of a client that <STRONG>exploits or adversely affects the interests of the client or the lawyer-client relationship<\/STRONG>.&#8221;&nbsp; <\/FONT><A href=\"http:\/\/www.sunethics.com\/4-1_8.htm\"><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">Rule 4-1.8<\/FONT><\/A><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">(i).&nbsp; New language provides examples of offending conduct, including demanding sexual relations as a condition of representation, coercing or intimidating a client into acquiescing to sexual relations, or allowing the sexual relationship to <STRONG>cause the lawyer to render incompetent representation<\/STRONG>.&nbsp; New language in the Comment provides that a &#8220;<STRONG>client&#8221; means not only an individual but &#8220;a representative of the client<\/STRONG>..&nbsp; <\/FONT><\/DIV><\/BLOCKQUOTE><br \/>\n<DIV dir=\"ltr\"><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">Justice Pariente continues her nanny role with another <A href=\"http:\/\/www.flcourts.org\/sct\/sctdocs\/bin\/sc03-705.pdf\">concurrence<\/A> (at page 26), in which she requests &#8220;that this rule be assessed periodically to ensure that it operates to guarantee that the attorney-client relationship is not compromised in any regard as a result of an ongoing sexual relationship.&#8221;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Wouldn&#8217;t that&nbsp;be a great use of scare bar counsel resources?<\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV dir=\"ltr\"><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><\/FONT>&nbsp;<\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV dir=\"ltr\"><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><br \/>\n<DIV dir=\"ltr\" align=\"left\"><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/cyber.law.harvard.edu\/blogs\/static\/ethicalesq\/masks.jpg\" alt=\"masks\" \/>&nbsp; <\/FONT>On the subject of <STRONG>ninnyism<\/STRONG>&nbsp;over lawyer&nbsp;advertising, see our <\/FONT><A href=\"http:\/\/blogs.law.harvard.edu\/ethicalesq\/2004\/05\/10#a1468\"><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">recent posting<\/FONT><\/A><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">, concerning the current legislative push to ban virtually all advertising that &#8220;solicits&#8221; litigation.&nbsp; Instead of caving to this legislative pressure to further limit advertising, the Florida Supreme Court chose to remove&nbsp;many restrictions on television and radio advertising, while&nbsp;banning features that are &#8220;deceptive, misleading, manipulative, or . . . likely to confuse the viewer,&#8221;&nbsp;and&nbsp;insisting that all statements that are required to be included in lawyer ads be &#8220;clearly legible if written or intelligible if spoken aloud.&#8221;&nbsp;<\/FONT><\/DIV><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV dir=\"ltr\"><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><\/FONT>&nbsp;<\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV dir=\"ltr\"><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">Existing&nbsp;paternalistic prohibitions have been eliminated, including:<\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<UL><br \/>\n<LI><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">The requirement that verbal and visual portrayals or depictions be &#8220;objectively relevant to the selection of an attorney&#8221; is eliminated.&nbsp; (Former Rule 4-7.2(b)(4).<\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<LI><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">The requirement that illustrations be &#8220;directly related and objectively relevant to a viewer&#x2019;s possible need for legal services&#8221; is eliminated.&nbsp; (Former Rule 4-7.2(c)(1).)<\/FONT><\/DIV><\/LI><\/UL><br \/>\n<DIV dir=\"ltr\"><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<P><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">As <\/FONT><A href=\"http:\/\/www.sunethics.com\/news_item_14.htm\"><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">sunEthics<\/FONT><\/A><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"> explains, under the new rules, &#8220;A non-lawyer spokesperson may speak or appear in TV and radio ads, provided the spokesperson &#8216;is not a celebrity recognizable to the public&#8217; and makes &#8216;a spoken disclosure identifying the spokesperson as a spokesperson and disclosing that the spokesperson is not an attorney.'&#8221; (New <\/FONT><A href=\"http:\/\/www.sunethics.com\/4-7_2.htm\"><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">Rule 4-7.2<\/FONT><\/A><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">(b)(2).)<\/FONT><\/P><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/cyber.law.harvard.edu\/blogs\/static\/ethicalesq\/shiptolabel.gif\" alt=\"ship to label\" \/>&nbsp; One final issue:&nbsp;Fla. Bar&nbsp;<\/FONT><A href=\"http:\/\/www.sunethics.com\/4-1_5.htm\"><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">Rule 4-1.5<\/FONT><\/A><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">&nbsp;has also been&nbsp;amended to provide that a lawyer&#x2019;s <STRONG>costs must be reasonable<\/STRONG>, and listing factors to be considered in determining reasonable costs.&nbsp; <\/FONT><A href=\"http:\/\/www.sunethics.com\/news_item_14.htm\"><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">sunEthics<\/FONT><\/A><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"> points out (emphasis added) that:<\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<BLOCKQUOTE><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">This <STRONG>new rule can benefit lawyers<\/STRONG> in at least 2 ways.&nbsp; First, it contains a &#8220;<STRONG>safe harbor<\/STRONG>&#8221; provision specifying that a lawyer&#x2019;s costs &#8220;shall be presumed reasonable&#8221; when there is a written attorney-client contract &#8220;in which the method is established for charging costs.&#8221;&nbsp; Amended <\/FONT><A href=\"http:\/\/www.sunethics.com\/4-1_5.htm\"><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">Rule 4-1.5<\/FONT><\/A><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">(b).&nbsp; Second, new language in the Comment to <\/FONT><A href=\"http:\/\/www.sunethics.com\/4-1_5.htm\"><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">Rule 4-1.5<\/FONT><\/A><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"> <STRONG>approves<\/STRONG> the practice of lawyers using charges for &#8220;in-house costs&#8221; (such as &#8220;copying, faxing, long distance telephone, and computerized research&#8221;) and &#8220;in-house services&#8221; (such as &#8220;paralegal services, investigative services, accounting services, and courier services&#8221;) as <STRONG>profit centers<\/STRONG>.&nbsp; Amended <\/FONT><A href=\"http:\/\/www.sunethics.com\/4-1_5.htm\"><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">Rule 4-1.5<\/FONT><\/A><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">(a), (b) and Comment.<\/FONT><\/DIV><\/BLOCKQUOTE><br \/>\n<DIV dir=\"ltr\"><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">While the <EM>pyj <\/EM>team believes that a lawyer can ethically&nbsp;enter into&nbsp;an agreement with a client that includes specific charges for in-house costs and services,&nbsp;we want to emphasize that determining reasonableness starts with looking at <\/FONT><FONT size=\"2\"><FONT face=\"Arial\">&#8220;<STRONG>the nature and extent of the disclosure<\/STRONG> made to the client <\/FONT><FONT face=\"Arial\">about the costs.&#8221;&nbsp; Therefore,&nbsp;the revised Comment to the Florida rule stresses (1) general overhead should be accounted for in the lawyer&#8217;s fee, and (2) &#8220;<\/FONT><\/FONT><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">The lawyer should sufficiently <\/FONT><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">communicate with the client regarding the costs charged to the client <STRONG>so that the client <\/STRONG><\/FONT><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><STRONG>understands<\/STRONG> the amount of costs being charged or the method for calculation of those <\/FONT><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">costs.<\/FONT><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">&#8220;<\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<UL><br \/>\n<LI><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/cyber.law.harvard.edu\/blogs\/static\/ethicalesq\/pencil.jpg\" alt=\"pencil\" \/> &nbsp;The lawyer <EM>should not take advantage<\/EM> of the &#8220;<STRONG>captive<\/STRONG>&#8221; nature of the client as a customer of in-house services and costs.&nbsp; Using an analogy to candy: the price should be similar to that found at your local drug store and supermarket (including mulit-packs and bulk discounts), and <EM>not<\/EM> like the cost at the counter of a movie theater.<\/FONT><\/LI><\/UL><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Although facing raging nannyism (over sex with clients) and enraged ninnyism (over advertising by lawyers), the Florida Supreme Court has issued revised rules of professional conduct for lawyers that demonstrate a belief that clients who have reached their majority are indeed adults.&nbsp; 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