{"id":4823,"date":"2004-05-09T16:34:54","date_gmt":"2004-05-09T20:34:54","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blogs.law.harvard.edu\/formerlyknownas\/2004\/05\/09\/good-lies-bad-lies\/"},"modified":"2011-08-05T14:58:47","modified_gmt":"2011-08-05T18:58:47","slug":"good-lies-bad-lies","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/archive.blogs.harvard.edu\/ethicalesq\/2004\/05\/09\/good-lies-bad-lies\/","title":{"rendered":"Good Lies, Bad Lies"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a name='a1463'><\/a><\/p>\n<p><FONT face=\"Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif\" size=\"2\"><br \/>\n<DIV><SPAN style=\"FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: #000000\"><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">[<EM>not<\/EM> a golf story]&nbsp; This month&#8217;s <EM><A href=\"http:\/\/www.dcbar.org\/for_lawyers\/washington_lawyer\/may_2004\/\">Washington Lawyer<\/A><\/EM>&nbsp;magazine (May 2004), from the D.C. Bar, has two interesting pieces focused on truth, lies, deception and the law(yer).&nbsp; <\/FONT><\/SPAN><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><SPAN style=\"FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: #000000\"><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><\/FONT><\/SPAN>&nbsp;<\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><SPAN style=\"FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: #000000\"><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/cyber.law.harvard.edu\/blogs\/static\/ethicalesq\/trustmeflip.gif\" alt=\"trust me flip\" \/>&nbsp; <\/FONT><\/SPAN><SPAN style=\"FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: #000000\"><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">In a Legal Spectator column titled <\/FONT><A href=\"http:\/\/www.dcbar.org\/for_lawyers\/washington_lawyer\/may_2004\/spectator.cfm\"><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">Truth, Falsehood, and the Law<\/FONT><\/A><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">, legal <\/FONT><A href=\"http:\/\/www.dcbar.org\/for_lawyers\/washington_lawyer\/may_2004\/happenings.cfm\"><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">legend<\/FONT><\/A><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"> <STRONG>Jacob A. Stein<\/STRONG> says the Martha Stewart case got him thinking about how the law deals with lying.&nbsp;<\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><br \/>\n<BLOCKQUOTE><br \/>\n<DIV dir=\"ltr\"><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">&#8220;What was done may be illegal, immoral, embarrassing, or any combination of the three. The effort to conceal converts something that may be of no great consequence into something very serious, a felony.&#8221;<\/FONT><\/DIV><\/BLOCKQUOTE><br \/>\n<DIV dir=\"ltr\"><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">Stein then explains how the U.S. Code treats lying &#8212; as perjury, grand jury perjury, and the far broader crime of&nbsp;false statements to the government (in Title 18 Sec. 1001).&nbsp; It&#8217;s a nice review.&nbsp; <\/FONT><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">What particularly attracted our attention, though, is Stein&#8217;s discussion of lie detectors &#8212; not as evidence, but as proof of the basic moral nature of human beings:<\/FONT><\/DIV><\/DIV><br \/>\n<BLOCKQUOTE><br \/>\n<DIV><SPAN style=\"FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: #000000\"><A href=\"http:\/\/reference.allrefer.com\/encyclopedia\/T\/ThomasLe.html\"><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">Lewis Thomas<\/FONT><\/A><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">, the distinguished physician and author, says the lie detector gives him hope that the world is all right despite the overwhelming reasons for discouragement. <STRONG>The lie detector proves that we cannot tell a lie, even a small one, without setting off a smoke alarm deep in the brain<\/STRONG>, resulting in the sudden discharge of nerve impulses and neurohormones. This is recorded by the lie detector gadgetry along with other changes including the heart rate and the manner of breathing.<\/FONT><\/SPAN><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><SPAN style=\"FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: #000000\"><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><\/FONT><\/SPAN>&nbsp;<\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><SPAN style=\"FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: #000000\"><\/SPAN><SPAN style=\"FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: #000000\"><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">Thomas says this is good news. It proves we are a moral species designed to be truthful to one another. We have evolved beyond guiltless mendacity, as is the case with animals who lie to one another all the time. <STRONG>Biologically speaking, it is healthy for us to stop lying to one another, whenever possible<\/STRONG>. <\/FONT><\/SPAN><\/DIV><\/BLOCKQUOTE><\/SPAN><br \/>\n<DIV><SPAN style=\"FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: #000000\"><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><SPAN style=\"FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: #000000\"><FONT face=\"Times New Roman\"><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">Stein&#8217;s evocation of Dr. Thomas sent <EM>pyj<\/EM> scurrying&nbsp;&#8212; okay, Google&#8217;s search spiders&nbsp;scanning for us&nbsp;&#8212; <\/FONT>&nbsp;<\/FONT><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">to find another great&nbsp;<A href=\"http:\/\/www.quotationspage.com\/search.php3?Author=Lewis+Thomas&amp;file=other\"><FONT size=\"2\">quotation<\/FONT><\/A> by the noted author:<\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<BLOCKQUOTE><br \/>\n<DIV><br \/>\n<DT><FONT size=\"2\"><EM>We pass the word around; we ponder how the case is put by different people, we read the poetry; we meditate over the literature; we play the music; we change our minds; we reach an understanding. Society evolves this way, not by shouting each other down, but by the unique capacity of unique, individual human beings to comprehend each other.<\/EM>&nbsp; [<FONT size=\"2\"><EM>The Medusa and the Snail<\/EM> (1979)]<\/FONT><\/DT><\/DIV><\/BLOCKQUOTE><br \/>\n<DIV>The second notable article&nbsp;from&nbsp;May&#8217;s <EM>Washington Lawyer<\/EM> <SPAN style=\"FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: #000000\"><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">is the <\/FONT><\/SPAN><SPAN style=\"FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: #000000\"><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">Speaking of Ethics column, by <STRONG>Ernest T. Lindberg<\/STRONG>, on &#8220;<\/FONT><\/SPAN><SPAN style=\"FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: #000000\"><FONT face=\"Arial\"><FONT size=\"2\"><A href=\"http:\/\/www.dcbar.org\/for_lawyers\/washington_lawyer\/may_2004\/ethics.cfm\">Misrepresentation by Government Attorneys<\/A> as Part of Official Duty.&#8221;&nbsp; It is a good summary of the recent <A href=\"http:\/\/www.dcbar.org\/for_lawyers\/ethics\/legal_ethics\/opinions\/opinion323.cfm\">D. C. Ethics Opinion 323<\/A> (30 March 2004) on that subject, and its treatment in other states.&nbsp;&nbsp; As Lindberg reports:<\/FONT><\/FONT><\/SPAN> <\/DIV><br \/>\n<BLOCKQUOTE><br \/>\n<DIV dir=\"ltr\" style=\"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px\"><SPAN style=\"FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: #000000\"><FONT face=\"Arial\"><FONT size=\"2\">&#8220;Lawyers employed by government agencies who act in a nonrepresentational official capacity in a manner they reasonably believe to be authorized by law do not violate Rule 8.4 (misconduct) of the D.C. Rules of Professional Conduct if, in the course of their employment, they make misrepresentations that are reasonably intended to further the conduct of their official duties.&#8221;<\/FONT><\/FONT><\/SPAN><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV dir=\"ltr\" style=\"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px\" align=\"right\"><SPAN style=\"FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: #000000\"><FONT size=\"2\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/cyber.law.harvard.edu\/blogs\/static\/ethicalesq\/donkey.jpg\" alt=\"donkey\" \/> <\/FONT><\/SPAN><\/DIV><\/BLOCKQUOTE><br \/>\n<DIV dir=\"ltr\" style=\"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px\" align=\"left\"><SPAN style=\"FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: #000000\"><\/SPAN><SPAN style=\"FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: #000000\"><FONT face=\"Arial\"><FONT size=\"2\">I&#8217;m happy to say that, just as the law is not an ass (usually), neither is the D.C. professional code of ethics.&nbsp; It would indeed have been asinine to come to any other conclusion.&nbsp; [See <A href=\"http:\/\/www.abanet.org\/journal\/ereport\/a23fraud.html\">Spying and Lying<\/A>, ABA ejournal, April 23, 2004, for further discussion of the issue, including whether private attorneys&nbsp;may ethically act as &#8220;testers.&#8221;]<\/FONT><\/FONT><\/SPAN><\/DIV><br \/>\n<BLOCKQUOTE><br \/>\n<DIV dir=\"ltr\" style=\"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px\"><SPAN style=\"FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: #000000\"><FONT size=\"2\"><STRONG>P.S.<\/STRONG>&nbsp; Speaking of lie detectors: congratulations to <STRONG>Cory Amron<\/STRONG>, who has been <A href=\"http:\/\/www.dcbar.org\/for_lawyers\/washington_lawyer\/may_2004\/happenings.cfm\">named <\/A><SPAN style=\"FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: #000000\"><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><STRONG>Woman of the Year<\/STRONG> by&nbsp;<\/FONT><FONT face=\"Arial\"><FONT size=\"2\">The Women&#x2019;s Bar Association (WBA) of the District of Columbia.&nbsp; She is currently a partner in the technology and intellectual property group at <A href=\"http:\/\/www.vssp.com\/FSL5CS\/Custom\/custom4.asp\">Vorys, Sater, Seymour and Pease<\/A> LLP.&nbsp; However, in her first&nbsp;week or so&nbsp;of law school,&nbsp;Cory was already quite astute at detecting b.s. and deception &#8212; <EM>i.e.<\/EM>, when a certain 2L Yabut tried to smoothly strike up a conversation at the HLS law library.&nbsp; <\/FONT><\/FONT><\/SPAN><\/FONT><\/SPAN><\/DIV><br \/>\n<BLOCKQUOTE><br \/>\n<DIV dir=\"ltr\" style=\"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px\"><SPAN style=\"FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: #000000\"><SPAN style=\"FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: #000000\"><FONT size=\"2\"><FONT color=\"red\"><STRONG><EM>P.P.S.<\/EM><\/STRONG><\/FONT>&nbsp; <STRONG>Ken Lammers<\/STRONG> has done it again &#8212; gotten first billing&nbsp;on the law.com <A href=\"http:\/\/www.law.com\/jsp\/article.jsp?id=1083783541372&amp;specArtType=newsInBrief\">NewsWire&nbsp;In Brief<\/A>&nbsp;column (05-10-04) &#8212; this time&nbsp;for a delightful weblog posting <A href=\"http:\/\/crimlaw.blogspot.com\/2004\/05\/how-to-tell-if-you-have-bad-lawyer-1.html\">How to Tell if Your Have a BAD Lawyer<\/A>.&nbsp; Folks are starting to wonder if Mrs. Lammers&#8217; maiden name is Patel.<\/FONT><\/SPAN><\/SPAN><\/DIV><\/BLOCKQUOTE><br \/>\n<DIV dir=\"ltr\" style=\"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px\"><SPAN style=\"FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: #000000\"><SPAN style=\"FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: #000000\"><FONT size=\"2\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/cyber.law.harvard.edu\/blogs\/static\/ethicalesq\/mousereadinggray.gif\" alt=\"mouse reading gray\" \/>&nbsp; <STRONG><EM>P.P.P.S.<\/EM><\/STRONG>&nbsp; Whether you agree with all the conclusions or not, <STRONG><A href=\"http:\/\/www.overlawyered.com\/\">Walter Olson<\/A><\/STRONG>&#8216;s book <STRONG><EM>The Rule of Lawyers <\/EM><\/STRONG>is an important part of any library focusing on law, lawyers&nbsp;and American society.&nbsp;&nbsp; It&#8217;s now out in a <A href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/exec\/obidos\/tg\/detail\/-\/0312331193\/ref=ed_oe_p\/102-4810311-4254502?v=glance&amp;s=books&amp;st=*\">softcover edition<\/A> (for $10.47 at Amazon.com), with an <A href=\"http:\/\/www.overlawyered.com\/archives\/001096.html\">Epilogue<\/A> in which Walter discusses &#8220;major developments of the last year such as the fast-food litigation, the enactment of comprehensive tort reform in Texas, and the surprise move by the ABA to support reform of asbestos and class-action litigation, as well as the latest twists in gun, tobacco, fen-phen and lead paint courtroom battles, among others.&#8221;<\/FONT><\/SPAN><\/DIV><\/BLOCKQUOTE><\/SPAN><\/FONT><\/SPAN><\/FONT><\/SPAN><\/FONT><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>[not a golf story]&nbsp; This month&#8217;s Washington Lawyer&nbsp;magazine (May 2004), from the D.C. 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