{"id":4725,"date":"2004-02-19T21:57:53","date_gmt":"2004-02-20T01:57:53","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blogs.law.harvard.edu\/formerlyknownas\/2004\/02\/19\/mommies-meanies-mud-and-manur"},"modified":"2011-08-05T14:59:01","modified_gmt":"2011-08-05T18:59:01","slug":"mommies-meanies-mud-and-manure-in-madison-county","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/archive.blogs.harvard.edu\/ethicalesq\/2004\/02\/19\/mommies-meanies-mud-and-manure-in-madison-county\/","title":{"rendered":"Mommies, Meanies, Mud and Manure in Madison County"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><font face=\"Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif\" size=\"2\"><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">\u00a0\u00a0 <em><strong>T<\/strong><\/em>wo newspaper articles and two weblog posts have roused <em>skepticalEsq <\/em>from retirement (again) this week. According to the <em>Alton (OH) Telegraph<\/em>, a group called Victims and Families United held a <em>pro-lawyer, pro-tort-suit rally<\/em> on Tuesday, at the Madison County, Ohio, courthouse. (See <a href=\"http:\/\/www.zwire.com\/site\/news.cfm?newsid=10983901&amp;BRD=1719&amp;PAG=461&amp;dept_id=25271&amp;rfi=8\">Rally supports rights of plaintiffs<\/a>, 02-17-04, <\/font><a href=\"http:\/\/www.zwire.com\/site\/news.cfm?newsid=10978093&amp;BRD=1719&amp;PAG=461&amp;dept_id=25271&amp;rfi=6\"><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">Victims say suits justified<\/font><\/a><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">, 2-18-04, by Sanford J. Schmidt) (with pointers from Evan Schaeffer, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.legalunderground.com\/2004\/02\/settled_we_can_.html\">here<\/a> and <a href=\"http:\/\/www.illinoislawblog.com\/2004\/02\/victims_and_fam.html\">there<\/a>)<\/font><\/font><\/p>\n<p><font face=\"Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif\" size=\"2\"> <\/font><font face=\"Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif\" size=\"2\"><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/cyber.law.harvard.edu\/blogs\/static\/ethicalesq\/fencepainter.gif\" \/>\u00a0<\/font><\/font><font face=\"Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif\" size=\"2\"><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"> The Feb. 17 article quotes a VFU spokesman as saying: Their mission is to bring balance and fairness to the debate and protect access to the courts for victims and their families.&#8221;  The Feb. 18 <em>Telegraph <\/em>article notes that one of the organizers, Judy Buckles, is the widow of an asbestos-related cancer victim, and states:<\/font><\/font><\/p>\n<p><font face=\"Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif\" size=\"2\"> <\/font><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>The speakers addressed about 60 people gathered in the foyer of the Madison County Administration Building in downtown Edwardsville. The crowd included victims and their families and people who work at some of the plaintiffs\u2019 law firms.<br \/>\n<font face=\"Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif\" size=\"2\"><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><em>Buckles said it is hard to pick up a newspaper or listen to television or radio these days without hearing criticism of the local courts. The publicity is generated by &#8220;tort reform&#8221; groups funded by big business, she said.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;They want to make it more difficult for families to find justice,&#8221; she said.<\/em><\/font><\/font><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><font face=\"Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif\" size=\"2\"><br \/>\n<\/font><font face=\"Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif\" size=\"2\"><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/cyber.law.harvard.edu\/blogs\/static\/ethicalesq\/scalesrichpoor.jpg\" alt=\"scales rich poor\" \/>  The ralliers are reacting to a spate of bad publicity about Madison County being the forum of choice for class action suits, and having more of them per capita than any county in the nation. ( See e.g., <a href=\"http:\/\/www.legalunderground.com\/2004\/02\/cynic_incubator.html\">this <\/a>and <a href=\"http:\/\/www.overlawyered.com\/archives\/000555.html\">this<\/a> and <a href=\"http:\/\/www.overlawyered.com\/archives\/000797.html\">that<\/a> from <a href=\"http:\/\/www.overlawyered.com\/\">Overlawyered.com<\/a>, and Evan&#8217;s <a href=\"http:\/\/www.legalunderground.com\/2004\/02\/a_brief_note_to.html\">response<\/a>.)  I strongly support continued access for <em>bona fide<\/em> tort victims, while bemoaning both damage awards and contingent fees that are unreasonably high.  I also support two of the goals mentioned by Buckles (and I know Overlawyered&#8217;s Walter Olsen does, too):<\/font><\/font><\/p>\n<ol><font face=\"Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif\" size=\"2\"><\/p>\n<li><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">Pushing for reforms aimed at driving bad doctors out while keeping good doctors in practice.<\/font><\/li>\n<li><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">Weeding out bad lawyers and bar them from filing bad lawsuits. <\/font><\/li>\n<p><\/font><\/ol>\n<p><font face=\"Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif\" size=\"2\"><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">I also think the &#8220;Sorry Works&#8221; program supported by VFU (in which hospitals that make mistakes would apologize for them and provide a settlement offer upfront) is worth a try, <em>so long as<\/em> the lawyer&#8217;s fee is <em>significantly <\/em>reduced when there is such a quick settlement.  <\/font><\/font><font face=\"Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif\" size=\"2\"><br \/>\n<\/font><font face=\"Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif\" size=\"2\"> <\/font><\/p>\n<p><font face=\"Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif\" size=\"2\"><br \/>\n<\/font><font face=\"Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif\" size=\"2\"><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">But, I think you can understand why <em>skepticalEsq<\/em> might be a little, well, skeptical of the &#8220;grassroots&#8221; nature of the group.   The group and rally might indeed be &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/www.bartleby.com\/61\/64\/G0236400.html\">grassroots<\/a>&#8221; in the narrow sense of being at a local level, but it&#8217;s hard to believe that they came into existence<a href=\"http:\/\/dictionary.law.com\/definition2.asp?selected=2032&amp;bold=%7C%7C%7C%7C\"> spontaneously<\/a> or <a href=\"http:\/\/dictionary.law.com\/definition2.asp?selected=2032&amp;bold=%7C%7C%7C%7C\">sua sponte <\/a>under the auspices of the victims and their families.  More likely, the grass got fed some fertilzer.  Note the newspaper account that the rather small crowd of about 60 &#8220;included victims and their families and <strong>people who work at some of the plaintiffs\u2019 law firms<\/strong>.&#8221; (emphasis added)  No break-down given. <\/font><\/font><\/p>\n<p><font face=\"Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif\" size=\"2\"> <\/font><\/p>\n<ul><font face=\"Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif\" size=\"2\"><\/p>\n<li><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">The idea of a pro-lawyer rally reminds me of one of my favorite Wiley Miller <a href=\"http:\/\/www.ucomics.com\/nonsequitur\/index.phtml\"><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">Non Sequitur<\/font><\/a> cartoons.  <font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"> In the panel, from 9-10-93, we see an enormous horde of lawyers marching behind a banner reading &#8220;<strong>Lawyer Appreciation Day Parade<\/strong>.&#8221;  Sadly, there are no people at all lining the street to show their appreciation, and one of the parade leaders wants to send out subpoenas. <\/font><\/font><\/li>\n<li><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">As for mud: If you want to be totally dispirited about the level of public discourse on the issue of tort reform and victims&#8217; rights, please take a look at the <a href=\"http:\/\/blogs.law.harvard.edu\/ethicalesq\/wp-admin\/Non%20Sequitur\">reader opnions <\/a>at the <em>Telegraph<\/em> website.  No matter what one&#8217;s take on the issues, it would be difficult for reasonable persons to acknowledge having such allies.  <\/font><\/li>\n<p><\/font><\/ul>\n<p><font face=\"Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif\" size=\"2\"><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">Now, as for Evan [see <em>hyperbole alert<\/em> below].  At his entertaining (if occasionally propagandistic) <a href=\"http:\/\/www.legalunderground.com\/2004\/02\/settled_we_can_.html\">notes from the [legal] underground <\/a>weblog, he noted wryly  &#8220;There are frequent demonstrations at the courthouse, but this is the first time I&#8217;ve heard about a group demonstrating in <em>support<\/em> of lawsuits.&#8221;   <em>But<\/em>, at his <a href=\"http:\/\/www.illinoislawblog.com\/2004\/02\/victims_and_fam.html\" target=\"_blank\"><font color=\"#000000\" face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">Illinois Personal Injury Blog<\/font><\/a>, p\/i lawyer Evan gives the rally a lot more coverage, quoting at length from the 2\/17 <em>Telegraph<\/em> article <em>and, <\/em>without the slightest note of irony, calls VFU a &#8220;<u>new grassroots organization<\/u>.&#8221;  We here at <em>e&amp;hEsq <\/em>are <em>shocked and saddened<\/em> that the author of a fine post earlier this month about misleading terminology dubbed &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/www.legalunderground.com\/2004\/02\/cynic_incubator.html\">cynic incubators<\/a>,&#8221; would utilize one of the prime examples of the c\/i phenomenon to legitimize the p\/i lawyers fan club.   I  hope he&#8217;ll give us some evidence (or at least rumors) about how VFU got started.<\/font><\/font><font face=\"Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif\" size=\"2\"><br \/>\n<\/font><\/p>\n<ul><font face=\"Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif\" size=\"2\"><\/p>\n<li><font color=\"red\"><strong><em>Hyperbole Alert<\/em><\/strong> (02-20-04)<\/font>:  Due to my old-fogey reluctance to use emoticon&#8217;s in a posting, I apparently did not adequately signal that I&#8217;m merely poking fun at Evan (who is a very good fun-poker himself), and <em>not<\/em> questioning his integrity.  Please see my late-night <a href=\"http:\/\/blogs.law.harvard.edu\/ethicalesq\/discuss\/msgReader$838?mode=day\">response<\/a> (apology) to Evan&#8217;s extended <a href=\"http:\/\/blogs.law.harvard.edu\/ethicalesq\/discuss\/msgReader$837?mode=day\">Comment<\/a>.<\/li>\n<p><\/font><\/ul>\n<p><font face=\"Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif\" size=\"2\"> <\/font><\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<blockquote><p><font face=\"Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif\" size=\"2\">Here&#8217;s a good <em><strong>Rule of Thumb<\/strong> <\/em>when reading this website:<\/font><font face=\"Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif\" size=\"2\"> If David uses <strong>hyperbole<\/strong> such as &#8220;shocked and saddened&#8221;, you can be pretty darn sure that his cynic-tongue is in his cyber-cheek.<\/font><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><font face=\"Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif\" size=\"2\"> <\/font><\/p>\n<p dir=\"ltr\"><font face=\"Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif\" size=\"2\">I need an emoticon-free way to signal &#8220;feeble attempt at humor and\/or irony.&#8221;   Or, perhaps, I need to swallow my elitist pride and use those silly emoticons.  [If you, like I, need a primer on webmail emoticons and acronyms, click <a href=\"http:\/\/scilnet.fortlewis.edu\/edtech\/webmail\/Emoticons.html\">here<\/a>.]<\/font><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>\u00a0\u00a0 Two newspaper articles and two weblog posts have roused skepticalEsq from retirement (again) this week. According to the Alton (OH) Telegraph, a group called Victims and Families United held a pro-lawyer, pro-tort-suit rally on Tuesday, at the Madison County, Ohio, courthouse. (See Rally supports rights of plaintiffs, 02-17-04, Victims say suits justified, 2-18-04, by [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":94,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":false,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[2926],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-4725","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-pre-06-2006"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p6kP1R-1ed","_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/archive.blogs.harvard.edu\/ethicalesq\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4725","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/archive.blogs.harvard.edu\/ethicalesq\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/archive.blogs.harvard.edu\/ethicalesq\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/archive.blogs.harvard.edu\/ethicalesq\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/94"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/archive.blogs.harvard.edu\/ethicalesq\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=4725"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/archive.blogs.harvard.edu\/ethicalesq\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4725\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":13968,"href":"https:\/\/archive.blogs.harvard.edu\/ethicalesq\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4725\/revisions\/13968"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/archive.blogs.harvard.edu\/ethicalesq\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=4725"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/archive.blogs.harvard.edu\/ethicalesq\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=4725"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/archive.blogs.harvard.edu\/ethicalesq\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=4725"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}