{"id":4708,"date":"2004-02-05T22:01:00","date_gmt":"2004-02-06T02:01:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blogs.law.harvard.edu\/formerlyknownas\/2004\/02\/05\/take-this-bar-exam-and-shove-"},"modified":"2011-08-05T14:59:03","modified_gmt":"2011-08-05T18:59:03","slug":"take-this-bar-exam-and-shove-it","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/archive.blogs.harvard.edu\/ethicalesq\/2004\/02\/05\/take-this-bar-exam-and-shove-it\/","title":{"rendered":"Take This Bar (Exam) And Shove It"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a name='a721'><\/a><\/p>\n<p><P><FONT face=\"Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif\" size=\"2\">Nobody likes bar exams, so &#8220;The Georgia State University College of Law and the Georgia State Law Review held a symposium on Thursday discussing alternatives to the bar exam that students must take in order to practice law.&#8221;&nbsp; See <A href=\"http:\/\/www.gsusignal.com\/vnews\/display.v\/ART\/2004\/02\/03\/401fd13eea37e\">this<\/A> <EM>GSU Signal<\/EM>&nbsp;article.&nbsp; <\/FONT><\/P><br \/>\n<P align=\"right\"><FONT face=\"Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif\" size=\"2\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/cyber.law.harvard.edu\/blogs\/static\/ethicalesq\/drippingfaucet.jpg\" alt=\"dripping faucet\" \/> . . . <\/FONT><\/P><br \/>\n<P align=\"left\"><FONT face=\"Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif\" size=\"2\">Law.com <A href=\"http:\/\/www.law.com\/jsp\/article.jsp?id=1075219902610&amp;specArtType=newsInBrief\">NewsWire<\/A> (02-06-04) says::<\/FONT><\/P><br \/>\n<BLOCKQUOTE><br \/>\n<P><FONT face=\"Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif\"><STRONG>Why not practice on pretend clients?<\/STRONG> Work for the poor? Serve a one-year apprenticeship, or take a nationalized exam? A recent conference sponsored by the Georgia State University College of Law produced no shortage of alternatives to the present bar exam &nbsp;<STRONG>The most popular inspiration: medical training<\/STRONG>.<\/FONT> <\/P><\/BLOCKQUOTE><br \/>\n<P><FONT face=\"Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif\" size=\"2\">According to the <EM>Signal<\/EM> article experts from the legal and medical fields made presentations, and&nbsp;&#8220;Lawrence M. Gosberg, a professor of law at the New York Law school and the director of the Lawyering Skills Center, proposed that law students be required to practice their skills on actors that put students in real situations and then give them feedback on their skills and approaches from a perspective different from that of a law professor.&#8221;&nbsp; [An upcoming edition of the GSU Law Review will feature seven articles on this topic.]<\/FONT><\/P><br \/>\n<P><FONT face=\"Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif\" size=\"2\">I&#8217;m sure <EM>e&amp;h <\/EM>visitors can supply a few choice suggestions of their own.&nbsp; Leave Comments, but please make them Family-Friendly.<\/FONT><\/P><br \/>\n<BLOCKQUOTE><br \/>\n<P><FONT size=\"2\"><EM><STRONG>But seriously<\/STRONG><\/EM>:&nbsp; Only those with a stake in continuing 3-years of law school appear to believe that the current model prepares students to practice law well, or that bar exams adequately measure readiness to practice law.&nbsp;&nbsp; Law school isn&#8217;t (or shouldn&#8217;t be) about massive amounts of memorization or &#8220;teaching to the test.&#8221;&nbsp; How long does it take to learn how to &#8220;think like a lawyer&#8221; (learn to issue-spot and then master the issue) and &#8220;write like a lawyer&#8221;?&nbsp; <\/FONT><\/P><br \/>\n<P><FONT size=\"2\">A shorter period of school, combined with some form of &#8220;internship&#8221; or apprenticeship seems to make sense &#8212; <EM>and <\/EM>should greatly reduce law student debt.&nbsp;&nbsp; Or should law licenses be limited to particular practice areas, after passing rigorous and realistic tests of the relevant skills? (See Ralph <\/FONT><FONT size=\"2\">Warner&#8217;s article <A href=\"http:\/\/www.nolo.com\/democracy_corner\/article.cfm\/objectid\/58CD8546-19B3-4158-81502D7BB96CB842\"><STRONG><FONT face=\"Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif\" color=\"#920011\" size=\"2\">Restrict Lawyers&#8217; Licenses<\/FONT><\/STRONG><\/A>.)<\/FONT><\/P><br \/>\n<UL><br \/>\n<LI><FONT face=\"Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif\" size=\"2\"><STRONG><EM><FONT color=\"red\">Afterthought<\/FONT>:&nbsp; <\/EM><\/STRONG><FONT face=\"Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif\">Do we really <EM>want<\/EM> anyone to &#8220;think like a lawyer&#8221;?&nbsp; See<br \/>\n<DIV align=\"left\"><FONT face=\"Arial\"><FONT size=\"2\"><A href=\"http:\/\/review.law.mercer.edu\/old\/fr20203.htm\"><STRONG>Thinking Like A Lawyer:<\/STRONG> <STRONG>Second Thoughts<\/STRONG><\/A><\/FONT><\/FONT><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"> [47 Mercer L. Rev. 511], by James R. Elkins; and&nbsp;<A href=\"http:\/\/review.law.mercer.edu\/old\/fr20209.htm\"><STRONG>Uneasy Burden: What it Really Means to Learn to Think like a Lawyer<\/STRONG><\/A>&nbsp;[47 Mercer L. Rev. 543], by Peter R. Teachout<\/FONT><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">. <\/FONT><\/DIV><\/FONT><\/FONT><\/LI><\/UL><br \/>\n<P><FONT size=\"2\"><\/FONT>&nbsp;<\/P><\/BLOCKQUOTE><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Nobody likes bar exams, so &#8220;The Georgia State University College of Law and the Georgia State Law Review held a symposium on Thursday discussing alternatives to the bar exam that students must take in order to practice law.&#8221;&nbsp; See this GSU Signal&nbsp;article.&nbsp; . . . Law.com NewsWire (02-06-04) says:: Why not practice on pretend clients? 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