{"id":4673,"date":"2004-01-24T20:01:07","date_gmt":"2004-01-25T00:01:07","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blogs.law.harvard.edu\/formerlyknownas\/2004\/01\/24\/undergrounder-feels-under-att"},"modified":"2011-08-05T15:00:29","modified_gmt":"2011-08-05T19:00:29","slug":"undergrounder-feels-under-attack-by-ethicalesq","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/archive.blogs.harvard.edu\/ethicalesq\/2004\/01\/24\/undergrounder-feels-under-attack-by-ethicalesq\/","title":{"rendered":"Undergrounder Feels Under Attack by ethicalEsq"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a name='a598'><\/a><\/p>\n<p><DIV align=\"left\"><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">I&#8217;ve spent <EM>way<\/EM> too much of my Saturday leaving <A href=\"http:\/\/riverbendlaw.typepad.com\/notes_from_the_legal_unde\/2004\/01\/law_firm_metaph_1.html\">Comments<\/A> to a <\/FONT><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">posting<\/FONT><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"> this morning by <STRONG><A href=\"http:\/\/www.riverbendlaw.com\/Schaeffer.htm\">Evan Schaeffer<\/A>&nbsp;<\/STRONG>of&nbsp;<\/FONT><A href=\"http:\/\/riverbendlaw.typepad.com\/notes_from_the_legal_unde\/2004\/01\/law_firm_metaph_1.html\"><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">Notes from the (Legal) Underground<\/FONT><\/A><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">.&nbsp; Evan seems surprised that I could <\/FONT><A href=\"http:\/\/blogs.law.harvard.edu\/ethicalesq\/2004\/01\/23#a579\"><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">respond<\/FONT><\/A><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"> yesterday to a humorous &#8220;<A href=\"http:\/\/riverbendlaw.typepad.com\/notes_from_the_legal_unde\/2004\/01\/law_firm_metaph.html\">riposte<\/A>&#8221; by him<\/FONT><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">, with both a little humor and a little serious ethics discussion.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><\/FONT>&nbsp;<\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">Evan say he refuses to address the ethical issue concerning contingency fees, because its &#8220;not the focus&#8221; of his website.&nbsp; Nonetheless, he states:<\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<BLOCKQUOTE><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/cyber.law.harvard.edu\/blogs\/static\/ethicalesq\/treasurehunter.jpg\" alt=\"treasure hunter\" \/>&nbsp; &#8220;Call me a coward, but I&#x2019;m not going to take Mr. Giacalone&#x2019;s bait, at least not right now, except to say the contingency fee system isn&#x2019;t broken and doesn&#x2019;t need to be fixed. In the real world, injured people who need a voice to speak for them often don&#x2019;t have the means to pay that voice by the hour. So some of them agree to pay when the case is over, happy to allow their lawyer (that is, me) to assume the risk that the case might yield nothing at all, in which case I&#x2019;ll be paying the costs. All things considered, I usually charge a third, sometimes more, sometimes less. (With that said, I recognize the benefits of Mr. Giacalone&#x2019;s weblog and his commentary on legal ethics, and look forward to reading it. However, I&#x2019;m not going to direct my clients to his site, as he suggests in his post, before they sign with me. Sorry.)&#8221;<\/FONT><\/DIV><\/BLOCKQUOTE><br \/>\n<DIV dir=\"ltr\"><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">I&#8217;ve never attacked the basic concept or use of contingency fees, and instead support it.&nbsp; (see the many listings on our <A href=\"http:\/\/blogs.law.harvard.edu\/ethicalesq\/stories\/storyReader$34\">Fees<\/A> resources page). &nbsp;My gripe is with the use of a <EM>standard contingency fee<\/EM> &#8212; with a firm offering virtually all of&nbsp;its clients the same fee, with no offer to negotiate the level, regardless of the merits of their case &#8212; rather than tailoring the fee to the risk involved to the lawyer in each case.&nbsp;&nbsp; At best, Evan&#8217;s argument above&nbsp;explains why a contingency fee&nbsp;can be good for many clients.&nbsp;&nbsp;Well, sure.<\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV dir=\"ltr\"><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><\/FONT>&nbsp;<\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV dir=\"ltr\"><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">As Public Citizen said&nbsp;last year&nbsp;in a <A href=\"Comments\/ Critique (dated July 14th)\">filing<\/A> opposed to the Common Good &#8220;early offer&#8221; proposal:&nbsp; <\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<BLOCKQUOTE><br \/>\n<DIV dir=\"ltr\"><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">&#8220;It is widely accepted that <STRONG>contingency fees should vary<\/STRONG> <STRONG>depending on the<\/STRONG> <STRONG>riskiness and complexity<\/STRONG> of the individual case; indeed, that is what the ethical rules currently require (even though almost <STRONG>universally honored in the breach<\/STRONG>).&#8221;&nbsp; [emphases added]&nbsp; <\/FONT><\/DIV><\/BLOCKQUOTE><br \/>\n<P dir=\"ltr\"><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">As <A href=\"http:\/\/blogs.law.harvard.edu\/ethicalesq\/2003\/07\/16#a112\">we<\/A> then replied, decrying Public Citizen&#8217;s lack of action to help p\/i clients (as opposed to p\/i lawyers):<\/FONT><\/P><br \/>\n<P dir=\"ltr\" align=\"right\"><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/cyber.law.harvard.edu\/blogs\/static\/ethicalesq\/complaintbill.jpg\" alt=\"complaint bill\" \/> . . .<\/FONT><\/P><br \/>\n<BLOCKQUOTE><br \/>\n<P><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">The meaning of Public Citizen&#8217;s admission is clear:&nbsp; Although the percentage rate of a contingency fee&nbsp;is ethically&nbsp;required to&nbsp;relate to the riskiness of&nbsp;each particular&nbsp;case, they &#8220;almost universally&#8221; do not.&nbsp; Since p\/i lawyers customarily reject the most risky cases and&nbsp;almost always charge the maximum percentage allowed in their jurisdiction for the cases they do take, a&nbsp;large percentage of <STRONG>contingency fees are greater than can be justified<\/STRONG> by the risk taken by the lawyer of working without adequate compensation.&nbsp; Put another way, in a&nbsp;significant percentage of p\/i cases, plaintiff&#8217;s lawyer is paid an excessive amount of the client&#8217;s award&nbsp;and the <STRONG>client is cheated<\/STRONG> out of a portion of his or her fair share.&nbsp; In those cases, the lawyers&nbsp;receive unreasonably high fees, in violation of their ethical obligations.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/FONT><\/P><\/BLOCKQUOTE><br \/>\n<DIV dir=\"ltr\"><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">ABA Formal Ethics Opinion 389 (described and discussed at length <A href=\"http:\/\/www.prairielaw.com\/articles\/article.asp?channelId=29&amp;subId=124&amp;articleId=1336\">here<\/A>&nbsp;and <A href=\"http:\/\/blogs.law.harvard.edu\/ethicalesq\/2003\/06\/12\">here<\/A>) lays all this out clearly, interpreting the same ethical rule on fees that exists in <A href=\"http:\/\/www.state.il.us\/court\/SupremeCourt\/Rules\/Art_VIII\/ArtVIII.htm#1.5\">Illinois<\/A> and <A href=\"http:\/\/www2.law.cornell.edu\/cgi-bin\/foliocgi.exe\/mo-code\/query=[jump!3A!27rules!27]\/doc\/&#123;@33&#125;?\">Missouri<\/A>, where Evan Schaeffer practices.<\/FONT><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><\/DIV><br \/>\n<P dir=\"ltr\">The entire plaintifff&#8217;s tort-p\/i bar appears to be afraid&nbsp;to address those ethical issues directly.&nbsp; Evan uses much of the space at his weblog to defend p\/i lawyers and the contingency fee system.&nbsp; Yet he claims that the ethics of contingency fees is not his focus.&nbsp; That is exactly what&#8217;s wrong with the way p\/i lawyers use contingency fees: they want to automatically apply their percentages,&nbsp;without any concern for whether the results unfairly and unethically take money from their clients.&nbsp; I guess Denial runs Underground in the world of tort law.<\/P><br \/>\n<UL><br \/>\n<LI><br \/>\n<DIV><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/cyber.law.harvard.edu\/blogs\/static\/ethicalesq\/boxers.jpg\" alt=\"boxers\" \/> One final issue:&nbsp; Evan tells his readers that I only wrote my post about Enthusiasm\/Machismo as an excuse to lambast him over contingency fees.&nbsp;Those <EM>are fighting words <\/EM>(which got my blood roiled).&nbsp; You can see my <A href=\"http:\/\/riverbendlaw.typepad.com\/notes_from_the_legal_unde\/2004\/01\/law_firm_metaph_1.html\">response(s)<\/A> at his site&#8217;s thread. <\/DIV><\/LI><\/UL><br \/>\n<P align=\"right\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/cyber.law.harvard.edu\/blogs\/static\/ethicalesq\/firemanhose.jpg\" alt=\"fireman hose\" \/> . . <\/P><br \/>\n<P><FONT color=\"red\"><STRONG><EM>P.S.&nbsp; <\/EM><\/STRONG><\/FONT><FONT color=\"black\">Evan has <A href=\"http:\/\/riverbendlaw.typepad.com\/notes_from_the_legal_unde\/2004\/01\/personal_injury.html\">wisely suggested<\/A> this evening that we bring this tiff to an end.&nbsp;[I&#8217;ve done I all can to increase his page hits on a slow weekend.]&nbsp; &nbsp;I would sincerely like to hear his&nbsp;thoughts on the ethical issues raised concerning standard contingency fees.&nbsp;&nbsp; I also <EM>really<\/EM> wish that<EM> haikuEsq<\/EM> had been in residence today, to impose better priorities and more brevity on this humble weblog.&nbsp;<\/FONT><\/FONT><\/P><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I&#8217;ve spent way too much of my Saturday leaving Comments to a posting this morning by Evan Schaeffer&nbsp;of&nbsp;Notes from the (Legal) Underground.&nbsp; Evan seems surprised that I could respond yesterday to a humorous &#8220;riposte&#8221; by him, with both a little humor and a little serious ethics discussion.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 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