{"id":4618,"date":"2003-12-06T12:01:39","date_gmt":"2003-12-06T16:01:39","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blogs.law.harvard.edu\/formerlyknownas\/2003\/12\/06\/disclosure-of-law-schools-wha"},"modified":"2011-08-05T15:00:36","modified_gmt":"2011-08-05T19:00:36","slug":"disclosure-of-law-schools-what-would-scheherazade-say","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/archive.blogs.harvard.edu\/ethicalesq\/2003\/12\/06\/disclosure-of-law-schools-what-would-scheherazade-say\/","title":{"rendered":"Disclosure of Law Schools: What Would Scheherazade Say?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a name='a365'><\/a><\/p>\n<p><DIV><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">The Utah Bar Commission wants to know if it should start telling the public which law school a lawyer attended.&nbsp;&nbsp; According to the most recent edition of the <EM><A href=\"http:\/\/www.utahbar.org\/news\/ebulletins\/november2003_vol2.html#lawschools \">Utah Bar eBulletin<\/A><\/EM> (Nov. 2003, vol. 2) (emphasis added), <\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<BLOCKQUOTE><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Arial\"><FONT size=\"2\"><FONT face=\"Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif\">&#8220;Information obtained by the Bar indicating the law school from which a lawyer has graduated <STRONG>has by policy been considered non-public<\/STRONG> and accordingly has not been disclosed to the public.&#8221;<\/FONT>&nbsp; <\/FONT><\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><br \/>\n<P>The Commission is seeking your opinion regarding whether or not the name of the law school from which a lawyer has graduated <STRONG>should remain confidential as a matter of privacy or may be disclosed to the public to assist in lawyer selection and because such information is already almost universally available in a variety of published voluntary listings. <\/STRONG><BR><BR>Please send your comments by January 31, 2004 to Bar Executive Director John Baldwin at <A href=\"mailto:barsurvey@utahbar.org\">barsurvey@utahbar.org<\/A>.<\/P><\/DIV><\/BLOCKQUOTE><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">Frankly, I had no idea this was even an issue in any state, nor how it is treated elsewhere.&nbsp;&nbsp;Using an&nbsp;<EM>ethicalEsq?<\/EM> <A href=\"http:\/\/blogs.law.harvard.edu\/ethicalesq\/2003\/09\/09#a256\">posting<\/A> concerning disclosure of attorney discipline records&nbsp;(the archives are still available at this site, with access by topic from the right margin menu), I clicked on the <\/FONT><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><A href=\"http:\/\/pro.wsba.org\/\">Washington State<\/A> Bar Status Directory&nbsp;and the <\/FONT><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><A href=\"http:\/\/www.iardc.org\/ardcroll.asp\">Illinois<\/A> Bar&#8217;s Lawyer Search and found that neither state lists the school attended as part of the publically available record online.&nbsp; <\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><\/FONT>&nbsp;<\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">Why shouldn&#8217;t this information be publically available?&nbsp; Clearly, consumers might find the law school attended to be relevant when starting a search for a lawyer &#8212; especially when they have very little additional information upon which to begin a selection process that can be quite time-consuming.&nbsp; Lawyers often want to know this information about other attorneys, and they know how to find it quickly from many sources, but the average consumer does not.&nbsp; Is the bar worried about unfair advantages or disadvantages stemming from the general reputation of particular schools?&nbsp; <\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><\/FONT>&nbsp;<\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">Is this the <STRONG>snobbery<\/STRONG>&nbsp;problem that we bounced around back in September, starting with <A href=\"http:\/\/civpro.blogs.com\/civil_procedure\/2003\/09\/why_are_lawyers.html\">Scheherazade<\/A>&#8216;s <FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><EM>Why Are Lawyers Such Snobs<\/EM><EM>, <\/EM><A href=\"http:\/\/www.ernietheattorney.net\/ernie_the_attorney\/2003\/09\/does_it_matter_.html\">Ernie<\/A>&#8216;s <\/FONT><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><EM>Does It Matter Which Law School You Went To? <\/EM>and <A href=\"http:\/\/professorbainbridge.typepad.com\/corporation_law_and_econo\/2003\/09\/is_the_legal_pr.html\">Prof. Bainbridge<\/A>&#8216;s question <\/FONT><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><EM>Is the legal profession a den of credential snobs?<\/EM>&nbsp;&nbsp;We<\/FONT><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"> piped in <A href=\"http:\/\/blogs.law.harvard.edu\/ethicalesq\/2003\/09\/19#a291\">here<\/A>.<\/FONT><br \/>\n<DIV>&nbsp;<\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV>Utah has only two ABA accredited law schools, so I quickly checked out their <A href=\"http:\/\/www.usnews.com\/usnews\/edu\/grad\/rankings\/law\/brief\/lawrank_brief.php\"><EM>USNews<\/EM> ranking<\/A>&nbsp;to see if there is some great disparity in prestige that might have caused certain bar members to wish to cover up their academic background.&nbsp; However, Brigham Young is ranked 31st and University of Utah 40th, so that does not seem to be a problem (at least in this era).&nbsp; <\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV>&nbsp;<\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV>I think an interested consumer should be able to easily find out what law school a lawyer attended.&nbsp; Calling such information &#8220;confidential&#8221; seems absurd, and I don&#8217;t think we can or should generalize about how any particular consumer might use or abuse such information.&nbsp; (<EM>E.g.<\/EM>, some folks would want to <EM>avoid<\/EM> Ivy League lawyers, and others might feel far more comfortable with someone educated at a local school.)&nbsp; I know she&#8217;s cavorting at a bankruptcy law conference in Palm Springs right now, but I&#8217;d like to know what Scherazade would say about this.&nbsp; And, <EM>you<\/EM>, too.&nbsp; [Note: Scheherazade did respond, and I to her.&nbsp; You can follow the discussion thread <A href=\"http:\/\/blogs.law.harvard.edu\/ethicalesq\/discuss\/msgReader$365?mode=topic\">here<\/A>.]<\/DIV><\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<UL><br \/>\n<LI><FONT color=\"red\"><STRONG>Afterthought<\/STRONG> (12-11-03):&nbsp; <FONT color=\"black\">Re-reading our October 3 posting<STRONG> <\/STRONG><A href=\"http:\/\/blogs.law.harvard.edu\/ethicalesq\/2003\/10\/03#a310\">Consumers Deserve Better Lawyer Referral Services<\/A> this morning, I noticed that then-ABA president-elect <STRONG>Robert A. 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