{"id":4164,"date":"2005-10-18T18:56:54","date_gmt":"2005-10-18T22:56:54","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blogs.law.harvard.edu\/formerlyknownas\/2005\/10\/18\/pols-judges-the-roles-are-dif"},"modified":"2011-08-05T14:54:29","modified_gmt":"2011-08-05T18:54:29","slug":"pols-judges-the-roles-are-different-lisa","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/archive.blogs.harvard.edu\/ethicalesq\/2005\/10\/18\/pols-judges-the-roles-are-different-lisa\/","title":{"rendered":"pols &amp; judges: the roles are different, Lisa"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a name='a5112'><\/a><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\n<DIV dir=\"ltr\"><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">Lisa Stone recently reminded us that she&#8217;s &#8220;<A href=\"http:\/\/legalblogwatch.typepad.com\/legal_blog_watch\/2005\/10\/blawg_review_27.html\">no attorney<\/A>.&#8221;&nbsp; But, <\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV dir=\"ltr\"><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">she <\/FONT><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">certainly does cyber-hang with a lot of them at the Law.com <\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV dir=\"ltr\"><A href=\"http:\/\/legalblogwatch.typepad.com\/legal_blog_watch\/\"><FONT face=\"Arial\" color=\"#000000\" size=\"2\">Weblog Network<\/FONT><\/A><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">.&nbsp; Would one of them please explain to her why <\/FONT><\/DIV><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><\/FONT><br \/>\n<BLOCKQUOTE><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/media-cyber.law.harvard.edu\/blogs\/static\/ethicalesq\/fjudgeS.gif\" alt=\"fjudgeS\" \/> a judge<\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><\/FONT>&nbsp;<\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">just might &#8212; <EM>appropriately<\/EM> &#8212; have a different opinion<\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">on&nbsp;an issue [or the outcome of the judicial or legislative <\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">process relating to that issue]&nbsp;than he or she has as a <\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">private citizen or as<\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><\/FONT>&nbsp;<\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; a politician &#8220;Vote neg&#8221; .<\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><\/FONT>&nbsp;<\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">Therefore, despite <A href=\"http:\/\/legalblogwatch.typepad.com\/legal_blog_watch\/2005\/10\/the_three_faces.html\">Lisa&#8217;s post<\/A> today, we cannot and <EM>should <\/EM><\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><EM>not<\/EM> know how Harriet Miers <\/FONT><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">would vote when presented with <\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">abortion-related issues, <\/FONT><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">simply by knowing her stance as a <\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">politician in 1989. (See<FONT color=\"black\">, <\/FONT><\/FONT><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><FONT color=\"black\"><EM>e.g<\/EM>., <\/FONT><A href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/exec\/obidos\/tg\/detail\/-\/0691004005\/ref=sib_vae_dp\/102-9892500-1392132?%5Fencoding=UTF8&amp;no=283155&amp;me=ATVPDKIKX0DER&amp;st=books\"><EM><FONT color=\"black\">A Matter of Interpretation<\/FONT><\/EM><\/A><FONT color=\"black\">, by<\/FONT><\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT color=\"black\"><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">Antonin Scalia<\/FONT><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">, 1987; <EM>cf.,<\/EM> <EM><A href=\"http:\/\/www.constitution.org\/fed\/federa00.htm\"><FONT color=\"black\">The <\/FONT><\/A><\/EM><\/FONT><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><EM><A href=\"http:\/\/www.constitution.org\/fed\/federa00.htm\"><FONT color=\"black\">Federalist Papers<\/FONT><\/A>.<\/EM>)<\/FONT><\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><SPAN><\/SPAN><\/FONT>&nbsp;<\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><SPAN><EM><STRONG><FONT color=\"red\">update<\/FONT><\/STRONG><\/EM> (9:30 PM):&nbsp; Lisa&nbsp;has&nbsp;added this to her post, in response<\/SPAN><\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><SPAN>to my above complaint:<\/SPAN><\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<BLOCKQUOTE><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><SPAN>&#8220;Updated graph: Sorry, but I think the selling of this <\/SPAN><\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><SPAN>particular candidate in the past week&#8211;both over and <\/SPAN><\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><SPAN>under-the-counter&#8211;makes this appropriate distinction <\/SPAN><\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><SPAN>of roles (so appropriate-<EM>sounding<\/EM> with the nomination <\/SPAN><\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><SPAN>of Roberts, who worked for Reagan and then served <\/SPAN><\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><SPAN>as a judge) sound disingenuous where Miers is concerned.&nbsp;&#8220;<\/SPAN><\/FONT><\/DIV><\/BLOCKQUOTE><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><SPAN>I just emailed&nbsp;Lisa, saying that making the distinction is the only <\/SPAN><\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><SPAN><EM>appropriate<\/EM>&nbsp;reply that the White House or any other interested <\/SPAN><\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><SPAN>parties should be making, and adding: &#8220;We shouldn&#8217;t <EM>expect<\/EM> a direct <\/SPAN><\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><SPAN>answer to the abortion question, even at the nomination hearings.&nbsp;&nbsp; <\/SPAN><\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><SPAN>Your take on this in today&#8217;s post sounds more like a journalist trying <\/SPAN><\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><SPAN>to <EM>create<\/EM>&nbsp;a controversy&nbsp;than one trying to help <EM>explain<\/EM> an important <\/SPAN><\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><SPAN>public issue.&#8221;&nbsp; <\/SPAN><\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><SPAN><\/SPAN><\/FONT>&nbsp;<\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><SPAN><STRONG><EM><FONT color=\"red\">update<\/FONT><\/EM><\/STRONG> (Oct. 19, 2005): Steve Bainbridge made my point nicely<\/SPAN><\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><SPAN>today, in a post titled &#8220;<A href=\"http:\/\/www.professorbainbridge.com\/2005\/10\/will_she_or_won.html#comments\">Will She or Won&#8217;t She?<\/A>&#8220;:<\/SPAN><\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<BLOCKQUOTE><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><SPAN>&#8220;I start with the hope that Miers&#8217; 1989 statement does not <\/SPAN><\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><SPAN>tell us how she will rule. In my book (or, more precisely, <\/SPAN><\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><SPAN>my article), judges are not supposed to decide cases <\/SPAN><\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><SPAN>based on personal political policy preferences. They are <\/SPAN><\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><SPAN>supposed to try to figure out what the law is, which in the <\/SPAN><\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><SPAN>case of <EM>Roe<\/EM> means looking at the text of the Constitution, <\/SPAN><\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><SPAN>the intent of the framers, and the traditions of our country <\/SPAN><\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><SPAN>(i.e., originalism, textualism, and traditionalism). One thus <\/SPAN><\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><SPAN>can readily imagine a judge who would vote to support a <\/SPAN><\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><SPAN>state ban on abortions and then turn around and, in his <\/SPAN><\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><SPAN>capacity as a judge, strike that very same law down because <\/SPAN><\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><SPAN>the judge believes <EM>stare decisis<\/EM> requires him or her to adhere <\/SPAN><\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><SPAN>to <EM>Roe<\/EM>.&#8221;<\/SPAN><\/FONT><\/DIV><\/BLOCKQUOTE><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><SPAN><br \/>\n<DIV dir=\"ltr\" style=\"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px\"><FONT face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"2\"><\/FONT>&nbsp;<\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV dir=\"ltr\" style=\"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px\"><br \/>\n<UL><br \/>\n<LI><br \/>\n<DIV style=\"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px\"><FONT face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"2\">by&nbsp;<\/FONT><A href=\"http:\/\/blogs.law.harvard.edu\/ethicalesq\/stories\/storyReader$3281\"><FONT face=\"Times New Roman\" color=\"#000000\" size=\"2\"><EM><STRONG>dagosan<\/STRONG><\/EM><\/FONT><\/A>:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<EM>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/EM><\/DIV><\/LI><\/UL><\/DIV><\/SPAN><\/FONT><br \/>\n<BLOCKQUOTE><br \/>\n<BLOCKQUOTE><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><SPAN>running for judge &#8212; <\/SPAN><\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><SPAN>she practices<\/SPAN><\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><SPAN>her braille<\/SPAN><\/FONT><\/DIV><\/BLOCKQUOTE><\/BLOCKQUOTE><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><\/FONT>&nbsp;<\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"1\"><EM>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [Oct. 18, 2005]<\/EM><\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><EM><FONT face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"1\"><\/FONT><\/EM>&nbsp;<\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><EM><FONT face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"1\"><\/FONT><\/EM>&nbsp;<\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><EM><FONT face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"1\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/cyber.law.harvard.edu\/blogs\/static\/ethicalesq\/scalesrichpoorneg.jpg\" alt=\"scales rich poor neg\" \/><\/FONT><\/EM><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><EM><FONT face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"1\"><\/FONT><\/EM>&nbsp;<\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><EM><FONT face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"1\"><\/FONT><\/EM>&nbsp;<\/DIV><\/BLOCKQUOTE><br \/>\n<DIV dir=\"ltr\"><FONT face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><\/FONT>&nbsp;<\/DIV><\/BLOCKQUOTE><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Lisa Stone recently reminded us that she&#8217;s &#8220;no attorney.&#8221;&nbsp; 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