{"id":3768,"date":"2005-04-19T14:42:44","date_gmt":"2005-04-19T18:42:44","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blogs.law.harvard.edu\/formerlyknownas\/2005\/04\/19\/ron-baker-replies-to-ethics-a"},"modified":"2011-08-05T14:57:47","modified_gmt":"2011-08-05T18:57:47","slug":"ron-baker-replies-to-ethics-aside","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/archive.blogs.harvard.edu\/ethicalesq\/2005\/04\/19\/ron-baker-replies-to-ethics-aside\/","title":{"rendered":"ron baker replies to &#8220;ethics aside&#8221;"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a title=\"a3687\" name=\"a3687\"><\/a><\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p dir=\"ltr\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/exec\/obidos\/search-handle-url\/index=books&amp;field-author=Ronald%20J.%20Baker\/104-1569557-1267912\"><font face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" size=\"2\">Ron Baker<\/font><\/a><font face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" size=\"2\">, who has been described as &#8220;<\/font><a href=\"http:\/\/thenonbillablehour.typepad.com\/nonbillable_hour\/2004\/04\/primer_on_value.html\"><font color=\"#000000\" face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" size=\"2\">an amazing visionary<\/font><\/a><font face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" size=\"2\">&#8221; by Matt Homann,<\/font><font face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" size=\"2\"> responded this morning to my piece <\/font><a href=\"http:\/\/blogs.law.harvard.edu\/ethicalesq\/2005\/04\/08#a3634\"><font color=\"#000000\" face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" size=\"2\">&#8220;ethics aside&#8221;<\/font><\/a><font face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\">,<font size=\"2\"><strong> <\/strong>where I caution lawyers against<\/font><\/font><font face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" size=\"2\"> blindly adopting Baker&#8217;s notion of &#8220;value billing.&#8221;   <\/font><font face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" size=\"2\">\u00a0 Ron, who complains that &#8220;The problem with these blogs is they are a mile wide and<\/font><font face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" size=\"2\"> half-inch deep,&#8221; wants me to &#8220;commit some serious intellectual capital to this debate,&#8221;<\/font><font face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\"><font size=\"2\"> by reading his [$149.00] book.  Well, I decided to <\/font><font size=\"2\">respond right away, any way, and<\/font><\/font><font face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\"><font size=\"2\"> at some length.  You can read the entire thread &#8212; <\/font><font size=\"2\">the original post, Ron&#8217;s Comment,<\/font><\/font><font face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" size=\"2\"> etc. &#8212; by <\/font><a href=\"http:\/\/blogs.law.harvard.edu\/ethicalesq\/discuss\/msgReader$3634?mode=topic\"><font face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" size=\"2\">clicking here<\/font><\/a><font face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\"><font size=\"2\">, and you&#8217;re encouraged to <\/font><font size=\"2\">add your comments. <\/font><\/font><\/p>\n<p dir=\"ltr\">&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p dir=\"ltr\"><font face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" size=\"2\">Here&#8217;s a key excerpt from my response to Mr. Baker<\/font><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><font face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" size=\"2\"><em>I continue to believe, however, that clients want alternative billing<\/em><\/font><font face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" size=\"2\"><em> methods in order to have lower overall fees, not because they<\/em><\/font><font face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" size=\"2\"><em> believe their lawyer is worth more than his or her hourly fee.<\/em><\/font><\/p>\n<p dir=\"ltr\">&nbsp;<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p><font face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" size=\"2\"><font color=\"black\"><strong><em>p.s.<\/em><\/strong>  Thanks go out to <font size=\"2\">Ron Coleman of <\/font><\/font><a href=\"http:\/\/likelihoodofconfusion.blogspot.com\/\" target=\"_blank\"><em><font color=\"black\" size=\"2\">Likelihood of Confusion<\/font><\/em><\/a><font color=\"black\"> for including<\/font><\/font><font face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"2\"><font color=\"black\"> the <\/font><a href=\"http:\/\/blogs.law.harvard.edu\/ethicalesq\/2005\/04\/08#a3634\"><font color=\"black\">post <\/font><\/a><font color=\"black\">&#8220;ethics aside&#8221; in <\/font><a href=\"http:\/\/likelihoodofconfusion.blogspot.com\/2005\/04\/blawg-review-2.html\" target=\"_blank\"><font color=\"black\" size=\"2\">Blawg Review #2<\/font><\/a><font color=\"black\"> yesterday.  <font size=\"2\"> Ron even tried his hand<\/font><\/font><\/font><font face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"2\"><font color=\"black\"> at writing haiku, proving &#8212; on Clarence Darrow&#8217;s <\/font><a href=\"http:\/\/www.m-w.com\/cgi-bin\/wftwarch.pl?041805\"><font color=\"black\">birthday<\/font><\/a><font color=\"black\"> &#8212; Darrow&#8217;s adage that\u00a0<\/font><\/font><font face=\"Times New Roman\"><font size=\"2\"><font color=\"black\">\u201cI<em>nside <\/em><\/font><\/font><\/font><font color=\"black\"><em>every lawyer is the wreck of a poet.<\/em>\u201d<\/font><\/p>\n<p dir=\"ltr\" align=\"left\"><font size=\"2\"><font face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\"> <\/font><\/font><\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p dir=\"ltr\"><font face=\"Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif\" size=\"2\">this world today&#8211;<br \/>\nfor one chrysanthemum<br \/>\na gold coin<\/font><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p dir=\"ltr\">\n<font face=\"Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif\" size=\"2\">spring rain&#8211;<br \/>\nin the window they haggle<br \/>\nover fish<\/font><\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<blockquote><p><font face=\"Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif\" size=\"2\">spring rain&#8211;<br \/>\nin the wife&#8217;s sleeve<br \/>\ncoins jingle<\/font><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>&#8211; by<a href=\"http:\/\/haikuguy.com\/issa\"> <\/a><span><a href=\"http:\/\/haikuguy.com\/issa\"><strong><font color=\"red\" face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" size=\"2\">Kobayashi Issa<\/font><\/strong><\/a><font face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" size=\"2\"><a href=\"http:\/\/haikuguy.com\/issa\"><font color=\"red\">,<\/font><\/a> <\/font><\/span><span><font face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" size=\"2\">translated by <\/font><a href=\"http:\/\/blogs.law.harvard.edu\/ethicalesq\/2004\/06\/03#a1610\"><font color=\"black\" face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" size=\"2\"><strong>David G. 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