{"id":3639,"date":"2005-02-24T20:35:38","date_gmt":"2005-02-25T00:35:38","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blogs.law.harvard.edu\/formerlyknownas\/2005\/02\/24\/carolyn-and-monica-join-the-u"},"modified":"2011-08-05T14:57:57","modified_gmt":"2011-08-05T18:57:57","slug":"carolyn-and-monica-join-the-upl-posse","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/archive.blogs.harvard.edu\/ethicalesq\/2005\/02\/24\/carolyn-and-monica-join-the-upl-posse\/","title":{"rendered":"carolyn and monica join the UPL posse"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a name='a3332'><\/a><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" size=\"2\">After almost two years with no one to cover my weblogging backside on the issue of<\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" size=\"2\">the Unauthorized Practice of Law, it is thrilling to see Carolyn Elefant at <EM>My Shingle<\/EM> (in<\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" size=\"2\">&#8220;<\/FONT><A href=\"http:\/\/www.myshingle.com\/my_shingle\/2005\/02\/if_we_cant_beat.html\"><FONT face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" size=\"2\">If We Can&#8217;t Beat Them, Let&#8217;s Compete With Them<\/FONT><\/A><FONT face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\"><FONT size=\"2\">,&#8221; Feb. 22, 2005) and Monica Bay<\/FONT><\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" size=\"2\">at <EM>The Common Scold<\/EM> (in &#8220;<\/FONT><A href=\"http:\/\/commonscold.typepad.com\/commonscold\/2005\/02\/three_cheers.html\"><FONT face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" size=\"2\">Three Cheers<\/FONT><\/A><FONT face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" size=\"2\">,&#8221; Feb. 24, 2005) take on the legal profession&#8217;s<\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" size=\"2\"><A href=\"http:\/\/blogs.law.harvard.edu\/ethicalesq\/2003\/09\/16#a273\"><FONT color=\"black\">guild mentality<\/FONT><\/A>.&nbsp; In addition, Lisa Stone of <\/FONT><FONT face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\"><FONT size=\"2\"><EM>Legal Blog Watch<\/EM> has&nbsp;put the spotlight on her <\/FONT><\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\"><FONT size=\"2\">Law.com colleagues&#8217; <FONT color=\"black\">efforts (<\/FONT><\/FONT><\/FONT><A href=\"http:\/\/legalblogwatch.typepad.com\/legal_blog_watch\/2005\/02\/add_the_califor.html\"><FONT face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" color=\"black\" size=\"2\">here<\/FONT><\/A><FONT face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" color=\"black\" size=\"2\"> and <\/FONT><A href=\"http:\/\/legalblogwatch.typepad.com\/legal_blog_watch\/2005\/02\/we_the_clueless.html\"><FONT face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" color=\"black\" size=\"2\">here<\/FONT><\/A><FONT face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" color=\"black\" size=\"2\">).<\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"2\"><\/FONT>&nbsp;<\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" size=\"2\">Carolyn shames Illinois; Monica takes on California; earlier this month, <\/FONT><A href=\"http:\/\/www.halt.org\"><FONT face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" size=\"2\">HALT<\/FONT><\/A><FONT face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" size=\"2\"> tried to set the<\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><A href=\"Georgia\"><FONT face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" color=\"black\" size=\"2\">Georgia Bar<\/FONT><\/A><FONT face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" color=\"black\" size=\"2\"> straight; and <\/FONT><A href=\"http:\/\/blogs.law.harvard.edu\/ethicalesq\/2005\/02\/19#a3293\"><FONT face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" color=\"black\" size=\"2\">we pointed<\/FONT><\/A><FONT face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" color=\"black\" size=\"2\"> to their efforts&nbsp;<\/FONT><A href=\"http:\/\/www.halt.org\/about_halt\/press_releases\/2005\/virginia_proposal.php\"><FONT face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" color=\"black\" size=\"2\">in Virginia<\/FONT><\/A><FONT face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" color=\"black\" size=\"2\"> just last week.&nbsp; The problem exists <\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" color=\"black\" size=\"2\">everywhere, across our dear old federalist nation.&nbsp; <\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" size=\"2\"><\/FONT>&nbsp;<\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" size=\"2\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/cyber.law.harvard.edu\/blogs\/static\/ethicalesq\/noYabutsS.gif\" alt=\"noYabutsS\" \/>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;In addition to HALT, the most active advocates for limiting the definition of the &#8220;practice of law&#8221;<\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" size=\"2\">&#8212; <\/FONT><FONT face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" size=\"2\">and thus the scope of UPL &#8212; have been the Federal Trade Commission and the U.S. Department of Justice.<\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" size=\"2\"><\/FONT>&nbsp;<\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" size=\"2\">[click <\/FONT><A href=\"http:\/\/blogs.law.harvard.edu\/ethicalesq\/stories\/storyReader$3331\"><FONT face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" color=\"black\" size=\"2\">here for the rest<\/FONT><\/A><FONT face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" size=\"2\"> of this story, with lots of links, and the following concluding remarks:]<\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<BLOCKQUOTE><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" size=\"2\">Perhaps, bar association websites should conspicuously post this disclaimer:&nbsp; <\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<BLOCKQUOTE><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\"><FONT size=\"2\"><STRONG>Warning<\/STRONG>:&nbsp; We are a guild, here to serve the&nbsp;economic interests of our members.&nbsp; <\/FONT><\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" size=\"2\">We&#8217;ll&nbsp;fight (<EM>&#8217;til your last dollar<\/EM>) to protect you from any legal adversary and to <\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" size=\"2\">secure your legal rights.&nbsp; However, when it comes to your financial interests <\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\"><FONT size=\"2\"><FONT face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\">versus our own, we will put ours first whenever possible.<\/FONT>&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/FONT><\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"2\"><\/FONT>&nbsp;<\/DIV><\/BLOCKQUOTE><\/BLOCKQUOTE><br \/>\n<DIV dir=\"ltr\"><FONT face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"2\"><FONT color=\"red\"><EM><STRONG>p.s.<\/STRONG><\/EM><\/FONT> (10 AM Feb. 25): from the very-busy Typo Editor:&nbsp; My apologies to folks who came <\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV dir=\"ltr\"><FONT face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"2\">here <\/FONT><FONT face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"2\">thinking that this is a Labor Law weblog discussing Unfair Labor Practices.&nbsp; I&#8217;ve <\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV dir=\"ltr\"><FONT face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"2\">attempted to remove all references to ULP from this posting and its headline, but I bet<\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV dir=\"ltr\"><FONT face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"2\">those darn search-engine spiders beat me to them.<\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<BLOCKQUOTE><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"2\"><\/FONT>&nbsp;<\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV dir=\"ltr\"><FONT face=\"Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif\" size=\"2\">calling a big gang<BR>down to join them&#8230;<BR>rice field geese<BR><BR><\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<BLOCKQUOTE><br \/>\n<BLOCKQUOTE><br \/>\n<BLOCKQUOTE><br \/>\n<BLOCKQUOTE><br \/>\n<BLOCKQUOTE><br \/>\n<DIV dir=\"ltr\"><FONT face=\"Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif\" size=\"2\">yellow gang, white gang<BR>the butterflies stake<BR>their claims<\/FONT><BR><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV dir=\"ltr\">&nbsp;<\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV dir=\"ltr\">&nbsp;<\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV dir=\"ltr\"><A href=\"http:\/\/webusers.xula.edu\/dlanoue\/issa\/index.html\"><STRONG><FONT face=\"Times New Roman\" color=\"#ff0000\" size=\"1\"><EM>Kobayashi Issa<\/EM><\/FONT><\/STRONG><\/A><FONT size=\"1\">&nbsp;&#8211; 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