{"id":3604,"date":"2005-02-11T15:13:30","date_gmt":"2005-02-11T19:13:30","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blogs.law.harvard.edu\/formerlyknownas\/2005\/02\/11\/flea-markets\/"},"modified":"2011-08-05T14:57:59","modified_gmt":"2011-08-05T18:57:59","slug":"flea-markets","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/archive.blogs.harvard.edu\/ethicalesq\/2005\/02\/11\/flea-markets\/","title":{"rendered":"flea markets"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a name='a3234'><\/a><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\n<DIV><A href=\"http:\/\/sandefur.typepad.com\/freespace\/2005\/02\/the_economics_o.html\"><FONT face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" size=\"2\">Tim Sandefur of Freespace<\/FONT><\/A><FONT face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" size=\"2\"> is &#8220;absolutely, completely, totally &#8221; certain that the following sentence <\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" size=\"2\">is wrong:<\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<BLOCKQUOTE><br \/>\n<DIV><EM><FONT face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" size=\"2\">&#x201C;Markets are not the product of Mother Nature. They are embedded in institutions <\/FONT><\/EM><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT size=\"2\"><FONT face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\"><EM>and are at root political creations.&#x201D;<\/EM> <\/FONT><\/FONT><\/DIV><\/BLOCKQUOTE><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" size=\"2\">The line comes from the thoughtful piece &#8220;<\/FONT><A href=\"http:\/\/www.antitrustinstitute.org\/recent2\/375.cfm\"><FONT face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" size=\"2\">Social Security and Antitrust<\/FONT><\/A><FONT face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" size=\"2\">,&#8221; written by (my friend and <\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" size=\"2\">former boss) Bert Foer, president of the <\/FONT><A href=\"http:\/\/www.antitrustinstitute.org\/\"><FONT face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" color=\"#000000\" size=\"2\">American Antitrust Institute<\/FONT><\/A><FONT face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" size=\"2\">.&nbsp; Bert states that free markets <\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" size=\"2\">can only continue to exist if government&nbsp;helps construct a social safetynet, which keeps the public <\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" size=\"2\">from rebelling against the insecurities that are inherent in a pure capitalist system &#8212; social protection <\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" size=\"2\">helps avoid economic protectionism.<\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" size=\"2\"><\/FONT>&nbsp;<\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" size=\"2\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/cyber.law.harvard.edu\/blogs\/static\/ethicalesq\/frventalone.gif\" alt=\"fr ventalone\" \/>&nbsp; I&#8217;d try to summarize Tim&#8217;s logic, and his tale of inflation in China, but there really is no <\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" size=\"2\">logic &#8212; there&#8217;s only the ideologue&#8217;s certainty <\/FONT><FONT face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" size=\"2\">that he alone has the truth and that everything in the <\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" size=\"2\">universe (including every historic vignette <\/FONT><FONT face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\"><FONT size=\"2\">and&nbsp;<EM>non sequitur<\/EM>) somehow <\/FONT><FONT size=\"2\">proves he&#8217;s absolutely correct.<\/FONT><\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" size=\"2\"><\/FONT>&nbsp;<\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" size=\"2\">Tim&#8217;s right&nbsp;that supply and demand existed before governments.&nbsp; But, free, competitive capitalist <\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" size=\"2\">markets &#8212; the kind Bert is talking about, and Tim so avidly seeks &#8212; &nbsp;did not.&nbsp;&nbsp; Human beings have not <\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" size=\"2\">always had free entry into the marketplace to buy and sell goods (and, of course, many still do not).&nbsp; <\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" size=\"2\">Before governments helped&nbsp;delineate and enforce necessary rights and rules of fairplay, the person <\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" size=\"2\">or clan or tribe <EM>with the most power<\/EM> dictated how trade would be carried out, where,&nbsp;and by whom.&nbsp; <\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" size=\"2\"><\/FONT>&nbsp;<\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" size=\"2\">Tim might insist &#8220;but people always had the<EM> urge<\/EM> to trade and the <EM>right <\/EM>to do so, from Nature,&#8221; but <\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" size=\"2\">&#8220;having&#8221; a right and exercising it freely are quite different things &#8212; as&nbsp;is having an urge and having a <\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" size=\"2\">functioning marketplace.&nbsp; Bert Foer is correct that a free market doesn&#8217;t just happen and isn&#8217;t inevitable <\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" size=\"2\">or perpetual.&nbsp; It takes governments to keep them working.&nbsp; Admitting that government &#8212; and some limits <\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" size=\"2\">on unrestrained capitalism &#8212; are needed to have a working free market is a blasphemy against Tim&#8217;s <\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" size=\"2\">libertarian religion.&nbsp; So, he&#8217;ll keep creating strawmen for his god to slay, and keep rejecting reasonable <\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" size=\"2\">dialogue&nbsp;with people he is absolutely certain are just plain wrong.&nbsp; How sad and unproductive.&nbsp; Tim&#8217;s <\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" size=\"2\">lucky to live in a land where the government will protect his right to spew such nonsense.&nbsp; Or, maybe he is <\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" size=\"2\">large, powerful&nbsp;and rich enough not to need the government&#8217;s help.<\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<BLOCKQUOTE><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"2\"><EM><STRONG><FONT color=\"red\">Update<\/FONT><\/STRONG><\/EM> (7 PM):&nbsp; Want a headache?&nbsp; Read Timothy <A href=\"http:\/\/sandefur.typepad.com\/freespace\/2005\/02\/pardon_my_insol.html\">Sandefur&#8217;s reply<\/A> to this post.&nbsp;&nbsp; <img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/cyber.law.harvard.edu\/blogs\/static\/ethicalesq\/ekgchart.gif\" alt=\"ekg\" \/><\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"2\">Despite Tim&#8217;s misdirection, Bert Foer&nbsp;is <EM>not<\/EM> saying&nbsp;that <EM>all<\/EM> economic rules and&nbsp;all <\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"2\">market forces are <\/FONT><FONT face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"2\">the product of government institutions.&nbsp; Foer <\/FONT><FONT face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"2\">instead points out <\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"2\">that free markets <\/FONT><FONT face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"2\">don&#8217;t spring up naturally on their own, but <\/FONT><FONT face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"2\">need help from governments <\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"2\">to thrive <\/FONT><FONT face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"2\">(especially, <\/FONT><FONT face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"2\">if they are to be tolerated in a society <\/FONT><FONT face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"2\">where the popular vote exists).<\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"2\"><\/FONT>&nbsp;<\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"2\">Sandefur thinks he can rebut Foer and reality by asking a non-responsive question <\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"2\">(&#8220;what about inflation in China <\/FONT><FONT face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"2\">in the 1940&#8217;s?&#8221;), and then chastise&nbsp;us for not<\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"2\">following him through <EM>his<\/EM> Looking Glass.&nbsp;&nbsp; (By the way, China&#8217;s inability to control<\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"2\">inflation in the 1940&#8217;s does <EM>not<\/EM> prove that free markets arise naturally.&nbsp; And, our&nbsp;limits<\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"2\">on free speech &#8212;<EM> i.e., <\/EM>like&nbsp;falsely shouting fire in a crowded theater &#8212; do not mean<\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"2\">that free speech does not exist;&nbsp;it <EM>does<\/EM> mean that the body politic can endorse a<\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"2\">broad freedom from censorship without doing unnecessary harm to itself.)<\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"2\"><\/FONT>&nbsp;<\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"2\">&#8220;ekg F&#8221;&nbsp; Sorry, Tim, defining every right in absolutes is adolescent.&nbsp; Whining, and <FONT face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"2\">fantasizing <\/FONT><\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"2\"><FONT face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"2\">about other worlds in which macho supermen <\/FONT><FONT face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"2\">need no help from anyone, won&#8217;t convert the <\/FONT><\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"2\"><FONT face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"2\">unpersuaded.&nbsp; T<\/FONT>axes pay for the infra-<\/FONT><FONT face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"2\">structure that makes it possible for the marketplace <\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"2\"><EM>and you<\/EM> to work and have a comfortable life.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; You may hate g<\/FONT><FONT face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"2\">overnment, but it&nbsp;can and<\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"2\">does help to secure a marketplace <\/FONT><FONT face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"2\">that is as free as possible, in a society that values all its <\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"2\">members, <\/FONT><FONT face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"2\">and stability, and its <\/FONT><FONT face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"2\">future. <\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<UL><br \/>\n<LI><FONT face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"2\"><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" size=\"2\">Dear Frequent Visitor:&nbsp; I promise this is&nbsp;the last post in which I will smack my head <\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" size=\"2\">against the brickwall of Sandefurian Libertarianism.&nbsp; I&#8217;m going to save my breath for<\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"2\">actual two-way conversation.<\/FONT><\/DIV><\/FONT><\/LI><\/UL><\/BLOCKQUOTE><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"2\"><\/FONT>&nbsp;<\/DIV><br \/>\n<BLOCKQUOTE><br \/>\n<BLOCKQUOTE><br \/>\n<BLOCKQUOTE><br \/>\n<BLOCKQUOTE><br \/>\n<BLOCKQUOTE><br \/>\n<BLOCKQUOTE><br \/>\n<BLOCKQUOTE><br \/>\n<BLOCKQUOTE><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif\" size=\"2\">in a sake cup<BR>a flea<BR>swimming! swimming!<BR><\/FONT><\/DIV><\/BLOCKQUOTE><\/BLOCKQUOTE><\/BLOCKQUOTE><\/BLOCKQUOTE><\/BLOCKQUOTE><\/BLOCKQUOTE><\/BLOCKQUOTE><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif\" size=\"2\"><\/FONT>&nbsp;<\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif\" size=\"2\">a flea jumps<BR>in the laughing Buddha&#8217;s<BR>mouth<BR><\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<BLOCKQUOTE><br \/>\n<BLOCKQUOTE><br \/>\n<BLOCKQUOTE><br \/>\n<BLOCKQUOTE><br \/>\n<BLOCKQUOTE><br \/>\n<BLOCKQUOTE><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif\" size=\"2\"><\/FONT>&nbsp;<\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif\" size=\"2\">after plastering <BR>the gate with fleas<BR>the dog runs off<\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif\" size=\"2\"><BR>&nbsp;<\/DIV><\/FONT><\/BLOCKQUOTE><\/BLOCKQUOTE><\/BLOCKQUOTE><\/BLOCKQUOTE><\/BLOCKQUOTE><\/BLOCKQUOTE><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif\" size=\"2\"><\/FONT>&nbsp;<\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif\" size=\"2\"><\/FONT>&nbsp;<\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><FONT face=\"Geneva,Arial,Sans-Serif\" size=\"2\">thrown together&#8211;<BR>thin mosquitoes, thin fleas<BR>thin children<\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV>&nbsp;<\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV><BR><br \/>\n<DIV dir=\"ltr\" style=\"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px\"><A href=\"http:\/\/webusers.xula.edu\/dlanoue\/issa\/index.html\"><FONT face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" color=\"#ff0000\" size=\"1\"><STRONG>Kobyashi Issa<\/STRONG><\/FONT><\/A><FONT face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" size=\"1\">,&nbsp;translated by&nbsp;<\/FONT><A href=\"http:\/\/webusers.xula.edu\/dlanoue\/issa\/abouttran.html\"><FONT face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" color=\"#000000\" size=\"1\"><STRONG>David G. Lanoue<\/STRONG><\/FONT><\/A><\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV dir=\"ltr\" style=\"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px\">&nbsp;<\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV dir=\"ltr\" style=\"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px\">&nbsp;<\/DIV><\/DIV><\/BLOCKQUOTE><br \/>\n<DIV dir=\"ltr\" style=\"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px\"><br \/>\n<DIV dir=\"ltr\" style=\"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px\" align=\"left\"><FONT><SPAN><FONT><EM><FONT size=\"+0\"><FONT face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" size=\"2\">by <\/FONT><A href=\"http:\/\/blogs.law.harvard.edu\/ethicalesq\/stories\/storyReader$3053\"><STRONG><FONT face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" color=\"#000000\" size=\"2\">dagosan<\/FONT><\/STRONG><\/A><FONT face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" size=\"2\">:<\/FONT><\/FONT><\/EM><\/FONT><\/SPAN><\/FONT><FONT><SPAN><FONT><FONT size=\"2\"><SPAN><FONT face=\"Arial\"><FONT face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\">&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<BLOCKQUOTE><br \/>\n<DIV dir=\"ltr\">valentine&#8217;s sun<\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV dir=\"ltr\">warms the kitchen &#8212;<\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV dir=\"ltr\">tuna melt for lunch<\/DIV><br \/>\n<DIV dir=\"ltr\">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<FONT face=\"Times New Roman\">&nbsp;<\/FONT><FONT face=\"Times New Roman,Times,Serif\" size=\"1\"><EM>[Feb.10, 2005]<\/EM><\/FONT><\/DIV><\/BLOCKQUOTE><\/FONT><\/SPAN><\/FONT><\/FONT><\/SPAN><\/FONT><\/DIV><br \/>\n<BLOCKQUOTE><br \/>\n<DIV dir=\"ltr\" style=\"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px\">&nbsp;<\/DIV><\/BLOCKQUOTE><\/BLOCKQUOTE><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Tim Sandefur of Freespace is &#8220;absolutely, completely, totally &#8221; certain that the following sentence is wrong: &#x201C;Markets are not the product of Mother Nature. 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