{"id":10580,"date":"2009-02-09T20:54:25","date_gmt":"2009-02-10T01:54:25","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blogs.law.harvard.edu\/ethicalesq\/?p=10580"},"modified":"2011-08-05T14:53:10","modified_gmt":"2011-08-05T18:53:10","slug":"stein-and-hull-and-more-white-lies","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/archive.blogs.harvard.edu\/ethicalesq\/2009\/02\/09\/stein-and-hull-and-more-white-lies\/","title":{"rendered":"stein and hull and more <i>white lies<\/i>"},"content":{"rendered":"<p style=\"padding-left: 120px\">\n<p style=\"padding-left: 120px\">\n<p style=\"padding-left: 90px;text-align: left\">. . <em>W<\/em>e didn&#8217;t &#8220;phone this one in,&#8221; but we woulda if we coulda. <a href=\"http:\/\/blogs.law.harvard.edu\/ethicalesq\/files\/2008\/12\/napper-gray-sm.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-10409\" src=\"http:\/\/blogs.law.harvard.edu\/ethicalesq\/files\/2008\/12\/napper-gray-sm.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"60\" height=\"32\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 120px;text-align: center\">frigid night<br \/>\nthe radiator wakes me,<br \/>\nlulls me to sleep<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 120px;text-align: center\">&#8230; by <em>dagosan<\/em><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/blogs.law.harvard.edu\/ethicalesq\/files\/2009\/02\/questionmark.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-10583\" src=\"http:\/\/blogs.law.harvard.edu\/ethicalesq\/files\/2009\/02\/questionmark.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"44\" height=\"45\" \/><\/a> .. <em><strong>How would you have answered Jacob A. Stein&#8217;s<\/strong><\/em> headline question in his newest Legal Spectator column, &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/www.dcbar.org\/for_lawyers\/resources\/publications\/washington_lawyer\/february_2009\/spectator.cfm\">Did You Read the Latest Opinion of the Supreme Court?<\/a>&#8221; (<a href=\"http:\/\/www.dcbar.org\/for_lawyers\/resources\/publications\/washington_lawyer\/index.cfm\"><em>Washington Lawyer<\/em><\/a>, February 2009).\u00a0 The sage columnist lists 37 possible answers, but you should feel free to add 38.\u00a0 Other ______________ .<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px\">To give you a taste, here&#8217;s a dozen replies offered by Stein. (The <em>f\/k\/a<\/em> Gang are leaning toward #17.)<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 60px\">1.\u00a0 I read about it in Linda Greenhouse\u2019s story in <em>The New York Times<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 60px\">4. I read the headnotes, or was it the syllabus? <a href=\"http:\/\/blogs.law.harvard.edu\/ethicalesq\/files\/2008\/12\/spectator.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-10379\" src=\"http:\/\/blogs.law.harvard.edu\/ethicalesq\/files\/2008\/12\/spectator.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"49\" height=\"56\" \/><\/a><br \/>\n5. I read about it in the newsletter we send to clients.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 60px\">7. Let\u2019s just say I flipped through it.<br \/>\n8. I liked that strong language in the dissent.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 60px\">11. Is it filled with original intent?<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 60px\">17.\u00a0 I usually take it to bed with me. It must be under the covers.<br \/>\n18. Congress will take care of it, just you wait and see.<br \/>\n19. Was it another punitive damages case, or was it the gun case?<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 60px\">30. Why don\u2019t they televise the arguments?<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 60px\">36.\u00a0 How much of these opinions do the clerks write?<br \/>\n37.\u00a0 I am going into the hospital for some minor surgery, and I will read it there.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/blogs.law.harvard.edu\/ethicalesq\/files\/2009\/02\/danhullbeach.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-10581\" src=\"http:\/\/blogs.law.harvard.edu\/ethicalesq\/files\/2009\/02\/danhullbeach.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"122\" height=\"93\" \/><\/a> &#8230;&#8230;. <a href=\"http:\/\/blogs.law.harvard.edu\/ethicalesq\/files\/2006\/10\/QuestionMark.gif\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-7217\" src=\"http:\/\/blogs.law.harvard.edu\/ethicalesq\/files\/2006\/10\/QuestionMark.gif\" alt=\"\" width=\"45\" height=\"45\" \/><\/a> <strong><em>What about Dan Hull?<\/em><\/strong> <em>F<\/em>orget the disparaging remarks of Ron Baker, Kevin O&#8217;Keefe and Enrico Schaefer, what am I ever going to do about <a href=\"http:\/\/www.whataboutclients.com\/archives\/2005\/08\/about_dan_hull_1.html\">JD Hull<\/a>.\u00a0 Over at his <em>What About Clients?<\/em> weblog, Dan insists on saying <em>really nice<\/em> things about me &#8212; or, at least about someone named David Giacalone at <em>f\/k\/a<\/em> who bears little or no resemblance to your cranky Editor.\u00a0 For recent examples, see <a href=\"http:\/\/www.whataboutclients.com\/archives\/2009\/02\/watching_legal_1.html\">here<\/a> (&#8220;the blawgosphere&#8217;s spiritual leader David Giacalone . . . is the only sensitive guy we ever liked even a little bit&#8221;) and <a href=\"http:\/\/www.whataboutclients.com\/archives\/2009\/02\/keep_your_begin_1.html\">there<\/a> (&#8220;spiritual leader and technical adviser in one person . . . Keep reading him&#8221;).\u00a0 When I leave comments asking for retractions, Dan forgets to post them.\u00a0 So, let&#8217;s get a few of things straight:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>if you come here for either spiritual or technical advcse, you need a Plan B<\/li>\n<li>we&#8217;re trying to keep a low profile these days, and our pundit necks are more likely to be in our shells than stuck out very far trying to make waves, pass judgments, or garner links<\/li>\n<li>we&#8217;ve been unsuccessfully striving for haiku- and zen-like humility at <em>f\/k\/a<\/em> for almost six years;\u00a0 Hull&#8217;s hallelujahs are not helping<\/li>\n<li>we know Dan is not merely fishing for mutual compliments, &#8217;cause he&#8217;s got one of the most-praised weblogs in the entire blawgiverse (see the left-SideBar on his <a href=\"http:\/\/www.whataboutclients.com\/\"><em>WAC <\/em>home page<\/a>); so, we&#8217;re starting to get paranoid about hidden agendas and anxious about living up to Dan&#8217;s high expectations.\u00a0 Humbled and honored.\u00a0 But, mostly humbled.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;padding-left: 60px\"><em>D<\/em>espite the above lapse in judgment, Dan seems to be on the mark with his list of &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/www.whataboutclients.com\/archives\/2009\/02\/watching_legal_1.html\">The Big Six must-reading lawyer sites<\/a>&#8221; for quickly and efficiently getting &#8220;all the news&#8211;and new ideas&#8221; from lawyer weblogs.\u00a0 He also does a very good job there limning the legal profession&#8217;s young Slackoiesie.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center\">spring thunder<br \/>\ndust from a slap<br \/>\non the horse&#8217;s rump<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center\">&#8230; by w.f. owen &#8211; <a href=\"http:\/\/www.redmoonpress.com\/catalog\/product_info.php?cPath=28&amp;products_id=71\"><em>white lies<\/em>: RMA 2008<\/a><br \/>\norig pub. <em>Mainichi Daily News<\/em> #706<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/www.redmoonpress.com\/catalog\/images\/rmp_rma2008.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"60\" height=\"89\" \/> <strong><em>Fibs and White Lies<\/em><\/strong>:\u00a0 Dan Hull&#8217;s praise quite naturally reminds us to continue to bring you selections from \u201c<a href=\"http:\/\/www.redmoonpress.com\/catalog\/product_info.php?cPath=28&amp;products_id=71\"><em>white lies<\/em>: Red Moon Anthology 2008<\/a>\u201d (by Jim Kacian and the Red Moon Press Editorial Staff, January 2009; see <a href=\"..\/2009\/01\/24\/white-lies-rma-2008-is-released\/\">our prior post<\/a>).\u00a0 \u201c<a href=\"http:\/\/www.redmoonpress.com\/catalog\/product_info.php?cPath=28&amp;products_id=71\"><em>white lies<\/em><\/a>\u201d contains some of the very best haiku-related poetry published in 2008, and our Honored Guest poets are, as always, well-represented.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 60px\">\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px\">checkout line<br \/>\nmy dad<br \/>\ncould talk to anyone<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 60px\">writers&#8217; conference&#8211; <a href=\"http:\/\/blogs.law.harvard.edu\/ethicalesq\/files\/2009\/02\/toilet.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-10582\" src=\"http:\/\/blogs.law.harvard.edu\/ethicalesq\/files\/2009\/02\/toilet.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"33\" height=\"66\" \/><\/a><br \/>\nfrom a toilet stall I hear<br \/>\nsomeone quoting me<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px\">&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.. by <a href=\"http:\/\/blogs.law.harvard.edu\/ethicalesq\/2009\/01\/02\/john-stevenson-archive-part-ii\/\">John Stevenson<\/a> &#8211; <a href=\"http:\/\/www.redmoonpress.com\/catalog\/product_info.php?cPath=28&amp;products_id=71\"><em>white lies<\/em>: RMA 2008<\/a><br \/>\n&#8220;checkout line&#8221; &#8211; <em>Upstate Dim Sum<\/em> 2008\/I<br \/>\n&#8220;writers&#8217; conference&#8221; &#8211; <em>Modern Haiku<\/em> 39:1<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px\">\n<p style=\"text-align: center\">\n<p style=\"text-align: center\">a cushion of pine needles<br \/>\nI recall my past<br \/>\nas pleasant<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center\">&#8230;. by George Swede &#8211; <a href=\"http:\/\/www.redmoonpress.com\/catalog\/product_info.php?cPath=28&amp;products_id=71\"><em>white lies<\/em>: RMA 2008<\/a><br \/>\norig. pub. 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