{"id":39,"date":"2005-03-31T19:18:10","date_gmt":"2005-03-31T23:18:10","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blogs.law.harvard.edu\/bloggroup\/033105-meeting-notes\/"},"modified":"2007-09-25T15:56:09","modified_gmt":"2007-09-25T19:56:09","slug":"033105-meeting-notes","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/archive.blogs.harvard.edu\/bloggroup\/033105-meeting-notes\/","title":{"rendered":"03\/31\/2005 Meeting Notes"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a name='a297'><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Posted by Erica, 3\/31\/05 at 7:18:14 PM.<\/p>\n<p>03\/31\/2005 Meeting Notes<\/p>\n<p>These notes are a best effort.<\/p>\n<p>Blog your corrections and commentary.<\/p>\n<p>Attendees:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>AW: Amanda Watlington\n<li>AH: Ann House<br \/>\n<Li>DF: Deborah Elizabeth Finn<\/p>\n<li>EG: Erica George\n<li>JD: Jared Dunn\n<li>JA2: Jenny Attiyah\n<li>JW: Jon Winsor\n<li>LW: Lisa Williams<br \/>\n<Li>LG: Louis Godena<\/p>\n<li>MN: Mary Nykoruk\n<li>MW: Mike Walsh\n<li>PRW: Peter R. Wood via IRC\n<li>RF: Randy Fenstermacher\n<li>SR: Shimon Rura\n<li>WK: Wendy Koslow\n<li>woman in green shirt\n<\/ul>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/rura.org:8000\/stream.m3u\">Audio!!!!!!<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Agenda:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Deborah Finn <a href=\"http:\/\/groups.yahoo.com\/group\/berkman-thursday\/message\/1671\">tells us<\/a> about the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.nten.org\/ntc\">Nonprofit Technology Conference<\/a> in Chicago last week\n<ul>\n<li>DF: <a href=\"http:\/\/www.techsoup.org\">TechSoup<\/a>\n<li>All: Eww, it&#8217;s ugly, even if it&#8217;s also super-useful!\n<li>DF: <a href=\"http:\/\/del.icio.us\/tag\/nten05\">NTen Delicious feed<\/a>\n<li>MW: What if people spam your feed, tag-spam? Do you get mad?\n<li>DF: I don&#8217;t own that tag\n<li>WK: People concerned with the privacy or solidity of their tags shouldn&#8217;t be using Delicious\n<li>MW: What about <a href=\"http:\/\/del.irio.us\">Delirious<\/a>? (Explicitly Creative Commons)\n<li>LW: Bookmarking isn&#8217;t that hard &#8211; you can create a more proprietary Delicious-style feed if you want to. But people put this stuff out there for social bookmarking for a reason.\n<li>RF: I <i>want<\/i> people to steal my stuff&#8230; how encourage?\n<li>All: Creative Commons\n<li>LW: Had some content scraped once and used to get Google ad $.\n<li>BS: With RSS, anyone can take some time and scrape a feed if they want to.\n<li>WK: But why? It&#8217;s a public service, anyone can contribute. Why do we <i>care<\/i> if someone scrapes a tag feed? You don&#8217;t own the pages you tagged, and a group of contributors is the only possible owner for a tag feed.\n<li>AW: Spammers scrape tags and put them up, they&#8217;re keyword-heavy, generate $ for them through ads, so this <i>is<\/i> a problem.\n<li>JA: How is Creative Commons enforced?\n<li>WK: We&#8217;re waiting to see if the courts will enforce it\n<li>SR: It&#8217;s not an alternative to copyright, it&#8217;s a license and should be enforced just like any other\n<li>WK: The courts will view it as alternative copyright, so we don&#8217;t know if they&#8217;ll accept this as a modification of the way people normally work copyright &#8211; Courts don&#8217;t &#8220;get&#8221; Creative Commons.\n<li>SR: People who license with CC are choosing which parts of their copyright-given rights to enforce. You own the copyright to your work, you can choose how to license it, CC is just a set of licenses that you can choose.\n<li>AW: Fair Use is so limited on the web\n<li>(general discussion of fair use and licensing and whatnots)\n<li>WK: http:\/\/www.chillingeffects.org\n<li>EG: <a href=\"http:\/\/www.cyber.law.harvard.edu\/sn\/\">Signal or Noise<\/a> conference here @ HLS 4\/8! On this kind of issue!\n<li>DF: Everyone at NTen thought <i>something<\/i> was a sellout. &#8220;philosophically repugnant&#8221;\n<li>MW: Rebecca last week talked about Bloggercorps &#8211; bloggers interested in helping out local nonprofits. Not for &#8220;bloggers who want to travel &amp; have fun.&#8221;\n<li>DF: <a href=\"http:\/\/groups.yahoo.com\/group\/BostonTechnobabes\/\">Boston Technobabes<\/a> &#8211; women who work in nonprofit\/tech in Boston area\n<li>DF: Helping nonprofits blog is a thankless task &#8211; very much crossing cultures. Nonprofits can be very ambivalent to new technologies. Don&#8217;t do it for the short-term gratification.\n<li>MW: Fundraising is a door in\n<li>DF: Challenge: helping organizations to think about tech in terms of how it serves their mission and strategy, not just jumping on a new trend.\n<li>AH: Blogs would be a great addition to group newsletters &#8211; way for readers to interact. Inviting not only donations of money, but actual involvement, building of relationship\n<\/ul>\n<li>Other things we&#8217;d like to discuss in future meetings, people we&#8217;d like to invite, etc.\n<ul>\n<li>LW: Community news services getting into blogging would be a neat thing to talk about\n<li>JD: Somerville News is using TypePad now\n<li>This is now on deck for next week\n<li>MW: I&#8217;d like to see a tagging session\n<li>WK: Let&#8217;s do it when David Weinberger can be involved\n<li>MW: I want to talk about how tag spam effects functionality. We&#8217;re counting on &#8220;security by obscurity&#8221; now for a lot of projects and it&#8217;s not very secure. Ex: Global Voices. Also, sometimes people just dump stuff into Delicious without thinking about how they are revealing a lot about themselves through what they have tagged.\n<li>DF: Do people actually use the same Delicious account for personal and professional stuff? (MW: Yes!). Is that because of the high (workwise) cost of opening a new account?\n<li>MW: People don&#8217;t think about how they&#8217;re putting a lot of private info out there on Delicious, Flickr. Unintended Consequences of Tagging. Has Weinberger got any of his presentations on tagging archived?\n<li>LW: <i>Finding<\/i> information is hard, and tagging doesn&#8217;t quite get there reliably yet. There&#8217;s a wealth of restaurant reviews on blogs, but no real way to use it well. Need more support for structured data.\n<li>WK: Boston.com&#8217;s restaurant review setup is fun. Can search by multiple categories at once.\n<li>SR: But it&#8217;s produced by Local I, not users, so not quite the same thing. Has very good coverage.\n<li>WK: (searches for Harvard Square restaurants good for groups)\n<li>EG: ooh, great segue to where do we eat tonight&#8230;\n<li>RF: Question re whether he automatically has an RSS feed on his HLS Manila blog\n<li>AW: This brings up: Publicity strategies\n<li>SR: Just have good content&#8230;\n<li>WK: There&#8217;s also http:\/\/blogs.law.harvard.edu\/berkman\/updates\n<li>(Ooh, <a href=\"http:\/\/blogs.law.harvard.edu\/jkbaumga\/\">j<\/a> updated recently! All wave to j, who is being cooked paella. Cheers for j!)\n<\/ul>\n<li>What else?\n<ul>\n<li>Louis Godena is looking for someone to hire to help him set up his HLS server Manila blog. He&#8217;s advised to post to the list.<\/ul>\n<li>Eat &#8211; Short agenda = finish sooner &amp; eat earlier! 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