{"id":101,"date":"2005-09-22T20:18:16","date_gmt":"2005-09-23T00:18:16","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blogs.law.harvard.edu\/bloggroup\/09222005-meeting-notes\/"},"modified":"2005-09-22T20:18:16","modified_gmt":"2005-09-23T00:18:16","slug":"09222005-meeting-notes","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/archive.blogs.harvard.edu\/bloggroup\/09222005-meeting-notes\/","title":{"rendered":"09\/22\/2005 Meeting Notes"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a name='a410'><\/a><\/p>\n<p>These notes are a best effort. Blog your corrections and commentary.<\/p>\n<p>Attendees:<\/p>\n<p>AH: Ann House<br \/>\nBS: Brett Stilwell<br \/>\nj: j<br \/>\nEG: Erica George<br \/>\nRF: Randy Fenstermacher<br \/>\nD: Diane, a Shorenstein fellow<br \/>\nAW: Amanda Watlington<br \/>\nBI: Bill Ives<br \/>\nDEF: Deborah Elizabeth Finn<br \/>\nC: Chris from co<br \/>\nSJ: SJ Klein<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Introductions\n<li>DEF: katrina peoplefinder\n<ul>\n<li>ad hoc geek emergency response\n<li>recognized need for standards for future\n<li>http:\/\/katrinahelp.info, http:\/\/www.katrinalist.net\n<li>created by the same people who did tsunamihelp.info\n<li>there were a zillion different ad hoc things springing up, the idea was to focus entirely on peoplefinding, on standardizing &#8211; make one place to search\n<li>PFIF peoplefinder interchange format, an XML format (a technology standard)\n<li>there is both a GUI for the public and a wiki back end for geeks to add things\n<li>ethan zuckerman, andy carvin, gail **..\n<li>lots fo sub-divided work so anyone with a few minutes to work on a small chunk can do it, as a volunteer.\n<li>there are 600,000 records &#8211; so obviously there are duplications, but not yet a way to check them and get rid of them.\n<li>lots of the data is being scraped from the red cross etc\n<li>there have been 4 years since 9\/11 and this wasn&#8217;t developed &#8211; instead it&#8217;s been volunteer geeks doing it into the night on an emergency basis\n<li>project has been sued: for violation of copyright of a tv station in florida, for scraping their data about survivors.\n<li>re copyright law, public information is not copyrightable\n<li>but the issue is, privacy. how much is all of this information violating the privacy of anyone. lame answer: we&#8217;re making all this info that&#8217;s already out on the net searchable in one place. in an emergency you make judgment calls. nothing here is going from offline to online by way of this project.\n<li>AW: but there is still the concern to have that much info out there. ID theft, etc.\n<li>the peoplefinder data standard is now, of course, usable for more than just katrina. we now have it for future emergencies.\n<li>vision for future preparedness &#8211; DEF has been in touch w other nonprofits re emergency response. But nobody can talk much til the current disaster is recovered enough past emergency basis\n<li>what if we used community technology centers to train people in advance. train people who know how to enter a query, start a record, to assist ppl in the *next* disaster\n<li>AW: some ppl have had bandwidth issues getting in to the FEMA website. Would they let nonprofits mirror the data so people aren&#8217;t getting shut out of the FEMA website.\n<li>united way is coming on board. the points of light fdtn is coming aboard&#8230;\n<li>http:\/\/blog.deborah.elizabeth.finn.com\/blog\/_archives\/2005\/9\/15\/1230048.html\n<li>http:\/\/katrinahelp.info\/wiki\/index.php\/Hurricane_Rita\n<li>SJ: how did this work with things like tha yahoo multisite search that developed?\n<li>DEF: i don;t knwo the details but there has been cooperation\n<li>the katrina help wiki has much much more info than just katrina\n<li>AW: are there any metrics on the success?\n<li>DEF: no. but some folks are documenting it and will try to capture as much of that type of data as possible\n<li>AW: goal should be to have some standard procedures for information technology in the case of future disdasters etc.\n<li>DEF: abslutely. getting say red cross on board will be very hard&#8230;\n<li>how to help ppl find this stuff who need it &#8211; there is an outreach team. we want social workers and emts and etc to know about this. umbrella nonprofit orgs, etc.\n<li>issue of duplication of labor: new &#8220;foundations&#8221; springing up from nowhere, without any resources, etc.\n<li>this hopefulyl has basically changed emergency respopnse forever\n<li>AH: why wasn&#8217;t any of this being done earlier over the past 4 years?\n<li>DEF: political and corporate culture still has not moved into the web era in so many ways. the web is conducive to geek ad hoc response.\n<li>AW: we&#8217;ve seen a swithc away from government response, a fragmentization of efforts. what has disintegrated? the food is not near the people, for example. and people are saying, well, volunteers are providing the food, and they won;&#8217;t go just anywhere. so we need some bureaucracy, some professionals, etc.\n<li>DEF: but we are now seeing where there are failures, and this is showing us what needs to be fixed for the long run\n<li>BI: and let&#8217;s not forget the issue of the looming Rita&#8230;\n<li>DEF: electronic advocacy: http:\/\/policymagic.org\/electron.htm (John McNutt)\n<li>to get money you need to show efficacy\n<li>measurement is lower than evaluation which is lwoer than research, in the money food chain\n<li>some disucssion of efficacy, of whether those being helped are those who already have some of the resources for helping themselves or a true cross-section of their area\n<li>http:\/\/contactlovedones.org : a way to access by phone &#8211; it has no privacy whatsoever, but people can leave public voicemails.\n<li>lots of talk re authority to take action and policy issues if FEMA isn&#8217;t able to be the org in charge.\n<\/ul>\n<li>other stuff:\n<ul>\n<li>j quick discussion with MIT conf next week: http:\/\/tretc.com &#8211; brett will try to get flickr and someone else people to come hang w us\n<li>and other announcements &#8211; see the main page\n<li>brett will make our cool tools sidebar into an easy dynamic delicious page instead of icky old static html \ud83d\ude00\n<\/ul>\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li>Food\n<li>is to be decided&#8230; possibly cambridge common but not sure<\/ul>\n<\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>These notes are a best effort. Blog your corrections and commentary. 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